Beck TRACKER

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" Lately there seems to be some stir in the discussion of Tracker knives. I felt as if I should clear the air and answer some questions folks have been having regarding the Beck TRACKER knives.

First off, I began work on the TRACKER knife project back in 1989. At that time, the first rough prototypes were being crafted by someone else. The knife was then called the "Medicine Blade". After I began crafting the knife, with some of my own improvements, Tom Brown saw the potential and from then on we worked together on the design. Although Tom had come up with the basic design concept, I was the one who had done much of the design work and all the manufacturing from then on. I hand-crafted over 525 custom TRACKER knives from the beginning until 2001.

An interesting note is that the knife wasn't even referred to as the TRACKERknife until I registered and began using "TRACKER" stamping on my blades. Yes, I was the first to use "TRACKER" and owned the trademark at one time. In fact for several years my knife was also refered to as the Tom Brown Tracker and was publicized as such in an issue of Modern Maturity magazine.

As far as the design goes, I believe "ripping someone off" is rather a strong accusation. Especially when it is clear that little seems to be known about my history with this knife. If any eyebrows are lifted, I would think my direction would be the last place anyone should stare too strongly. After all, my design varied greatly from the original prototype. I did all the physical work, got the knife published in magazine articles, and sent the knives all aroung the world to be tested to make the refinements.

Tom wanted me to mass produce these knives but being a perfectionist and someone who is constantly trying to improve my work, I didn't want to cheapen the design by making a production version. Therefore, Tom decided to seek out a company to mass produce his ideas, as I continued to completely hand-craft my own one at a time to push the design to it's limits.

The TOPS knife clearly copies many of my own ideas but the TOPS knife seems to be getting all the publicity and I don't believe that is right. Nothing against TOPS, but most folks don't seem to realize my TRACKER is also shown in the upcoming movie "The Hunted". I'm not given much credit however, other than a brief statement by Tom in the latest Blade magazine. I think that is simply due to the financial backing going into selling these knives. I can not comment on the quality of their knife, as I haven't had the opportunity to try one myself, but I sincerely hope they are doing a good job.

TOPS & or Tom Brown may have a registered trademark & design patent on the TOPS version due to the movie. However, that would only serve to protect the "new design" knife from being copied. Being "grandfathered as the original maker and user of the TRACKER who in the past used the design & trademark in commerce allows me to legally continue to make my version along with the TRACKER stamping as long as I don't attempt to copy their design changes of the blade markings.

It is a shame how big business can over-shadow and take due credit away from the little guy who shed alot of sweat & cut many fingers during the very long days developing the knife into what makes it famous (before TOPS got involved)but I guess if there is more money to be made, well...small custom knifemakers should beware!

Well anyway, after taking a year off to take a long needed break & refine new skills, I, Dave Beck, am back with the "original" TRACKER knife. I may not get the credit I deserve from my knife's involvementin the movie but my new TRACKER based on my original "C" model is certainly going to turn some heads!" As quoted from Dave Beck
 
Dave,

Welcome to the forums. Do you have a webpage set up somewhere? I would love to see some photos of your versions of these knives.

n2s
 
On the website it would be informative to see background on the materials on design, materials and construction. What are the intended performance goals of each aspect. Why use that steel, why go with the rather radical design as opposed to something like a simple drop point. It looks like the design process was a long and detailed one, it would be nice to know the roots and evolution of the final piece.

-Cliff
 
I posted the following quote on another thread.

Good to Go,
Dave is a awesome maker. Is he still going to make them in different sizes? Is he going to make to companion blade also to the TRACKER? I will Not miss out this time. I still have his catalog from 13yrs ago. You have to see his knife named WOLVERINE!

Dave if you read this, WELCOME BACK! The Knife community will have somebody I consider an awesome maker.

Semper Fi,
Ceya,,, Ceya Knife Designz
 
I would really like to see some of your knives also. Do you have a website? And i hope you do get the credit you deserve. :)
 
Just a Note: The website is still under construction! Tracker info. and construction of the Trackers will be on next week. Thank you for the very warm welcome!
 
The TOPS version has worked while the availability of the original was rare and impossible to be had. But now we have access to the original by the original maker. What more could those of us that love the design want.


I have a TOPs version, its a decent knife. Its not an ORIGINAL though.

Dave Beck is a very good knifemaker as well as a great guy to speak with about knives. I was lucky enough to get one of his Pathfinder's, the quality of that knife was impeccable. I would get your order in now while you still can.

Simply put, there ain't nothing like the real thing.
 
Yep, I wanna see pictures. My favorite knife so far, that I have seen in this style, is the Evolution by Peter Jensen of Jensen Elite Blades, in Australia. The original Becker version is very close, so I am interested in new ones are going to look.
 
Hell I have had several people ask me to make one of these cause they were no longer being made!! Could this be that now there is a MAJOR MOVIE featuring this knife design, suddenly it makes sense to produce them again?? Seems rather timely if you ask me... Tom Brown should have some input here also...
 
Yeah! How dare you for wanting to sell a knife you spent 10 years developing and refining! The audacity!

Lighten up Mr. Rinaldi. I have known Dave a long time. His integrity is beyond reproach. (as are his skills as a knife maker) I'm sure Dave won't be taking any of your business away from you.
 
Glad you're back Dave :) I too have gotten several requests for tracker blades. I even made something real close for a reall good friend. Now I can send folks over to you or tops for them. Maybe I will even get one for myself. I prefer the curves of the original handle as shown in Tactical Knives way back when. Just PLEASE get some pics AND prices up ASAP :D
 
Sorry if I offended anyone.. No disrespect to Dave.. But if they had been produced consistantly, there wouldnt be any controversy..
If TOPS gets more attention, its cause they are advertising them, and are licensed to make them.. Personally I dont really care for the design, but thats just me.. And I am not worried about anyone taking business away, Im not even taking orders..
 
Jaeger, I don't think Trace was questioning Mr. Becks integrity or skills. But he may have been aware of the letter from Tom Brown Jr. concerning Mr. Becks use of the "Tracker" logo at:
http://www.topsknives.com/whatsnew/trackernews.htm
I feel that whatever the issues between Mr. Beck and Mr. Brown are that they are between them, and are not helped by speculation or banter on this forum.
As to the quality of Dave's knives, I have 2 and can attest that they are great knives. He is a skilled craftsman and his contributions to the Tracker design deserve recognition. As far as promoting the TOPS Tracker along with the movie, its clear from the above letter that TOPS is the only manufacturer under a license agreement with Mr. Brown at this time.
 
Agreed with Allen's seniments. The letter from Tom Brown. Jr.:

Tuesday, March 4th, 2003

To Whom It May Concern:

The Tom Brown Tracker knife has recently achieved a high degree of notoriety. It plays an integral role in the 2003 Paramount Pictures release of The Hunted. TOPS USA is the only authorized manufacturer of the Tom Brown Tracker Knife. Anyone else claiming to be an authorized manufacturer of the Tracker is not currently authorized by Tom Brown. TOPS began manufacturing the knife under license from Tom Brown in November of 2001. The Tom Brown Tracker was designed by Tom Brown Jr., over the course of seven years, and was manufactured by several knife makers up through 1999. None of the former manufactures are currently licensed to make the Tom Brown Tracker.

P.S. Mr. Dave Beck, one of the four previous makers of the “Tom Brown Tracker Knife”; was in fact offered the option to manufacture this knife on two separate occasions in the year 2000. Mr. Beck did in fact decline, both times. He also sent a letter to Tom Brown stating that he no longer intended to manufacture the “Tom Brown Tracker Knife” and forfeited any and all rights to any future manufacturing of this knife.


Signed,

Tom Brown Jr.

Tom Brown’s Tracking, Nature, & Wilderness Survival School
P0 Box 173
Ashbury, NJ 08802
(909) 479-4681
 
"...TOPS USA is the only authorized manufacturer of the Tom Brown Tracker Knife. Anyone else claiming to be an authorized manufacturer of the Tracker is not currently authorized by Tom Brown...."

So what? Dave would be an "un authorized" original maker/designer of the Tom Brown Tracker Knife. Unless Tom Brown can pull out a contract showing where he compensated Dave Beck for the exclusive use of the name "Tom Brown Tracker Knife", both have a claim to the name and design.

It doesn't matter anyway since just about everyone will be marketing a tracker survival knife of some kind if the movie takes off. I am surprised we haven't seen thousands of knockoffs at the local flea market already. At the price ranges that Tops and Dave Beck are interested in generating, quality and performance are going to be far more critical then the movie association. The movie can help them to sell a few knives, but if the quality isn't there, it will also help them destroy their reputation.

Sooner then we think we will be discussing the performance of the TOPS Tracker against other $40 "tracker" look-alikes produced by somebody in Japan, China, and Korea. They should worry more about making sure that their $299 knife performs well against the inevitable factory knockoffs, and worry less about quality makers like Dave Beck.

n2s
 
You are right Not2sharp about the real threat to American Knife makers being inferior knockoffs from Pakistan, China, Taiwan etc... and the lowlifes that go to gun shows and try to pass them off as originals. At one of the gun shows in Ogden Utah they had a fellow there selling "original" TOPS and Strider Knives for less than $50. When I questioned if he was a dealer for them he said he was, and had picked up a bunch of seconds to sell there. When I informed him there were no seconds ever sold by these companies and I knew the owners he became agitated and ask me to leave. Later I found he had goten the Knockoff Knives for less than $3 each.
The real concern I have about this is that someone will see the reviews of the real knives and think they are getting a quality knife at a bargain price, then when they get in trouble out in the field and need it, the rip-off knife will break apart hurting them or one of their family members.
There is a group of Knife Manufacturers getting together to go after these Knockoff sellers and from discussions at the SHOT Show may try to stop them by various means. I would not want to be trying to pass myself off as an "authorized" dealer in a room full of sharp objects and justifiably upset manufacturers!
As to the issue of TOPS or Beck Knives being compared against the knockoffs, I'm not worried, they both make quality knives and can "hold their own" against any competitors. Quality and performance is what each built their business on and they will no doubt both have devote followers. I know because I am one, and am looking forword to purchasing more knives from each of them!
 
Have we all forgotten the TOM BROWN (former) MEDICINE KNIFE and the upgrades that were made by BECK to transform the MEDICINE KNIFE to the "TOM BROWN's" "THE TRACKER" which was once a TRADEMARK held by BECK. Would the knife be what it was today if it weren't for Beck? I personally have obtained three of Daves knives and one other custom knife....along with some mass produced knives and can tell you that none of the others hold an edge to any of the BECK handmade knives! This being my own opinion and as not to talk down the quality of TOPS KNIVES!
 
Dave,

I, for one, knew the history of the medicine/tracker knife. Hell I even attempted to order one from you some time ago (before TOPS). In any case, I'm glad to see you "back" and around the forums.

Will you be producing the companion to the medicine/tracker as well?

Regards,
 
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=2044264#post2044264 So is this the movie version? I dont mean the damascus The style? I am going through catalogs as I sit here and I am looking for the one that I saw the tracker knock off in. I remember thinking how surprised I was that the knock off hadnt come out untill after the movie and not already out before. They are fast and by the way how do companies like Bud K get me on there mailing list.I wouldnt pay them to give any of the crap they carry.
 
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