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I believe that companys make a lesser line of goods to meet what walmart wants to pay .They cut a few corners and sell it to walmart .

This is a common and completely irrational myth. Do you really think companies like Spyderco would risk their reputation for quality by selling large numbers of sub-standard products through the world's largest retailer? The products that sit on Wal-Mart's shelves are the exact same products that sit on every other retailer's shelves. I've lost count of the number of companies that have been accused of this practice. If it were true, we wouldn't have an unemployment problem in America due to all the extra production facilities setup to manufacture all these these defective and sub-standard products for Wal-Mart.
 
This is a common and completely irrational myth. Do you really think companies like Spyderco would risk their reputation for quality by selling large numbers of sub-standard products through the world's largest retailer? The products that sit on Wal-Mart's shelves are the exact same products that sit on every other retailer's shelves. I've lost count of the number of companies that have been accused of this practice. If it were true, we wouldn't have an unemployment problem in America due to all the extra production facilities setup to manufacture all these these defective and sub-standard products for Wal-Mart.

with certain products, like lawn mowers, it is true. seems one of the famous lawn mower makers rather than sell sub-standard mowers, and make more money, said "no", and took their product home. there's an old and large article about it, decrying the process.

and if they did make those products cheaper, you can bet they would make them overseas, not here.

some wally's are now carry fresh organic product... as in food. vegetables. free range beef. they're getting that somewhere...
 
To be fair, the lawn mower companies in question were asked to sacrifice extra features to lower the retail price, not quality. Pull start in lieu of electric start, etc...

I'm not a fan of Wal-Mart and only shop there when I have no other choice, but the "sub-standard Wal-Mart production line" myth is just that...
 
Not to mention the fact Walmart screws over the US of A..I read somewhere Walmart was responsible for displacing something like 100,000 or 200,000 American jobs

Displaced maybe, but they also employ 1.2 million in the US according to PBS. That means (if my math skills are right) that they created at least ONE MILLION jobs for this country.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/secrets/stats.html


I don't think it's fair to fault Walmart for being successful. A capitalist society breeds that type of corporation. That's just how it works.


I shop local stores when possible. I don't have the money (nor the desire in some cases) to shop at the organic grocery or designer clothing stores that populate this area, being in a small hipster college town. There is one option for "normal" food other than Walmart here, and they literally don't have everything I want (not need).
 
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To be fair, the lawn mower companies in question were asked to sacrifice extra features to lower the retail price, not quality. Pull start in lieu of electric start, etc...

I'm not a fan of Wal-Mart and only shop there when I have no other choice, but the "sub-standard Wal-Mart production line" myth is just that...

Found the article: http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/102/open_snapper.html

The Wal-Mart vice president responded with strategy and argument. Snapper is the sort of high-quality nameplate, like Levi Strauss, that Wal-Mart hopes can ultimately make it more Target-like. He suggested that Snapper find a lower-cost contract manufacturer. He suggested producing a separate, lesser-quality line with the Snapper nameplate just for Wal-Mart. Just like Levi did.

seems pretty direct. Snapper chose to not dilute their product in anyway, nor screw their 80% income channel. good for them.
 
I didn't want this thread to be a walmart good or evil thead, God knows trhere are plenty of those.

I was more interested in everyones opion on how this couls affect the popularity of BK&T if their product can reach a lot more people who otherwise may have never heard of it.
 
I am not prejudiced against Walmart personally but, I have seen how they can change the whole commercial/retail marketplace. I live in Hawaii and we have 3 (soon to be 4) Walmarts within an 10 mile radius. I do miss the smaller local businesses that companies like Walmart and HD have displaced. I try to support what local businesses are left but in a way they are such a part of the retail landscape here, they have become a necessary evil.

I'm not prejudiced against Wal Mart either. There are plenty of rational, historical reasons to not support them that have nothing to do with pre-judging and ignorance.
 
Displaced maybe, but they also employ 1.2 million in the US according to PBS. That means (if my math skills are right) that they created at least ONE MILLION jobs for this country.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/secrets/stats.html


I don't think it's fair to fault Walmart for being successful. A capitalist society breeds that type of corporation. That's just how it works.

And this is reason to laud Walmart, for destroying real jobs with a living wage and benefits, and convert them to underemployed masses just at minimum wage or above? And that's not to mention what they have done to manufacturing, being a big player in causing thousands of factory workers, again with living wages in the US, to be replaced by Asian factory workers not much above slave labor?

It's a sad state of affairs when destroying local economies is called "successful." But then, I suppose that's to be expected with capitalism.
 
Found the article: http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/102/open_snapper.html

seems pretty direct. Snapper chose to not dilute their product in anyway, nor screw their 80% income channel. good for them.

That's standard practice for all the big box stores...WalMart, Home Depot, Lowe's etc. However, it's not what was suggested earlier in the thread. The poster claimed that Spyderco was producing a high-quality Para2 for some retailers and a low-quality Para2 for WalMart.

Adding a lower cost product to the lineup is one issue. Producing two versions of the same product with different quality controls for different retailers is a completely different (and highly unethical) beast. Anyone who believes a company like Spyderco (or Becker, etc) would agree to the latter is woefully uninformed.
 
And this is reason to laud Walmart, for destroying real jobs with a living wage and benefits, and convert them to underemployed masses just at minimum wage or above? And that's not to mention what they have done to manufacturing, being a big player in causing thousands of factory workers, again with living wages in the US, to be replaced by Asian factory workers not much above slave labor?

It's a sad state of affairs when destroying local economies is called "successful." But then, I suppose that's to be expected with capitalism.

Our society prizes personal success. That's what capitalism is all about. If you want to provide for the greater good, try socialism. In a perfect world, with "perfect" people socialism works very well. Everyone works equally hard and gets equal treatment. The problem here is someone asshole always thinks he can get away with doing a little less. Then his neighbor does the same and so on until there is an overburdened "middle class" doing the most work for the least money (sound familiar?). You can see this on a small scale in large roommate households where the chores, food etc. are shared.


I worked in a local factory for a year (and was fired for being injured rather than deal with waiting for me to get better and possibly have to pay my Dr bills). I made significantly less than the Walmart national average listed on the site I linked and I know for a fact less than Walmart in this town starts you out at. The Factory had more room to move up, or so I was lead to believe. The problem is these days people can't retire, so there was nowhere to move up to. We were making a product completely disassociated with Walmart and there was still heavy offshore competition. The saving grace was the bulk of what we were making makes it hard to ship efficiently.


It is to be expected in capitalism. The most basic goal is to make more money than the competition and drive them out of business or buy them. No economic system is perfect. We would be doing much better (strictly from a domestic product standpoint) if we put tariffs on imported goods so the prices were regulated. With tariffs, in theory, the local tax burden would be reduced and domestic products would be more competitive because the prices would be close to the same.
 
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You guys might not believe this........... A guy from the gun club bought a Spyderco Para II from walmart and it is not even close to smooth as the one I git from Knife works. I believe that companys make a lesser line of goods to meet what walmart wants to pay .They cut a few corners and sell it to walmart .
Darn right!
Whaddya think the Leatherman Wingman and Sidekick are for? Chintzymart!
On the upside, I am seeing more Ameican flags on packaging at Wallyworld now.
 
I saw them on they're website as well as sears.
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Sears may not have Beckers, but they have Kabars.
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Walmart is about as evil as is gets. They are one of the reasons grocery stores have had to close. But hey why not get your hungry man the same place as your ammo, xbox game, and prescription drugs! The down fall of America as I see it, and hey why not throw a McDonalds in there too just to cap off the complete slow death of the country. Im just sayin.
 
Electronics companies definitely make separate lines to sell to Walmart to meet their price point. And they will short certain hardware features. If you look at the item codes, they will be different than you see at betterpurchase your local stores. I doubt any company is selling an inferior product under the same name as a superior product offering at another store. There will be a difference somewhere in the name and product number.
 
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KaBar line at ChinaMart and becker's, BK7 $79.99 and free S&H to store
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That's standard practice for all the big box stores...WalMart, Home Depot, Lowe's etc. However, it's not what was suggested earlier in the thread. The poster claimed that Spyderco was producing a high-quality Para2 for some retailers and a low-quality Para2 for WalMart.

Adding a lower cost product to the lineup is one issue. Producing two versions of the same product with different quality controls for different retailers is a completely different (and highly unethical) beast. Anyone who believes a company like Spyderco (or Becker, etc) would agree to the latter is woefully uninformed.

right then...

You guys might not believe this........... A guy from the gun club bought a Spyderco Para II from walmart and it is not even close to smooth as the one I git from Knife works. I believe that companys make a lesser line of goods to meet what walmart wants to pay .They cut a few corners and sell it to walmart .

i'm going to have to argue that the poster said and meant "standard quality" and "lower-quality", not "high-quality" and "low-quality; not exactly the same thing to my mind.

now, do companies like Spyderco and what not sell tiered items for stuff that amounts to mass produced blister pack stuff? i don't believe they do.

now the stuff that comes in boxes? that have higher price points that the likes of Walmart can't support? sometimes i wonder... i don't think Walmart is going to be selling the nicer Spydercos, which ARE high quality knives. they DO sell the "value priced" lines though - different models. cheap stuff. easy to make. Spyderoco perhaps is even encouraged to expand those lines. plastic handled simple locking folders with steel that is perhaps not "as nice". good knife? to be sure, but not "the good stuff". teirs? nah. that's silly.

now, another related issue: some companies do sell their blems. where do those blems go? mmm... many items are refurbs, or seconds. they go somewhere... they get sold.

there have been a lot of complaints that Becker knives from Amazon have been unusually defective compared to other companies (like Tomars). with Amazon, i'm guessing that sometimes customers return items, and as long as it LOOKS good enough, Amazon flips them. i know some big box stores have their own shrink wrapping machine, and resell returns as new. friends of mine have opened video cameras to find pre-shot birthday parties on the memory, not 3 weeks old :> hah.

i'm also amused by "generics". it's everywhere. you can goto a drug store, and find your favorite item as a generic, most likely made by the same factory, and line, as the name brand item. this has extended these days to everything. like powdered drinks. since i gave up soda for the most part, but still want some flavor now and then when i'm not drinking more natural things like tea or coffee, i've been trying those "powders in a tube". sparingly at least. some of them even have no artificial sweeteners (koolaid!) - takes getting used to :> however, right next to that stuff, is... something in packaging that's 99% the same, store brand, for what amounts to 50% the price. i've tried them. seem to be the same. it's unlikely their are two companies producing the same koolaid formula :>

it would not surprise me if a knife company operated a line of "officialy sanctioned" off-brand/generic items.

Becker? not so much :>
 
You guys might not believe this........... A guy from the gun club bought a Spyderco Para II from walmart and it is not even close to smooth as the one I git from Knife works. I believe that companys make a lesser line of goods to meet what walmart wants to pay .They cut a few corners and sell it to walmart .

I can tell you for a fact that the factory where I am employed sells to WalMart, Target ,Staples and others and when we finish one order and go to the next the only difference is the container. Guaranteed. Sometimes we don't even need to shut the machines off. My advice is to shop at a Dollar General store for anything they carry that you normally buy elsewhere. If only they would start selling knives....

SEMPER-FI TIL I DIE
 
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