belt carry for something to boil water in?

That video on the Maxpedition site was great. Add a few trioxane tabs or a small flask of HEET and a pepsi can stove and you are in.

I used my copy of the Whitebox stove and the nested cup with a nalgene bottle last hunting season. I carried some ramen noodles and instant (yuck) coffee. We were camping (small trailer) hunting in upper 'Cold' Wisconsin. At lunch I made it back to the truck and cooked on the tailgate. Beats the Gorp and cold sandwiches I usualy have.

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While typing I see the picture of your kit got added a couple posts up. That's perfect, I love it.
 
I might give the oven bags / heavy duty (non-food type) foil a try just to see how well they work since so many of you use em. I'm carrying a heatsheet and painters tarp as it is already, so i'm trying to avoid stuffing more stuff in that M-1.
I was thinking about a sierra cup or something similar and just hooking it on, but i think it might be awkward for belt carry and i'd want a container for purifying water on the go if need be. That's why i'm leaning towards the guyots or GI canteens and cups.

I really like your set up Quiet Bear, the pic is perfect!:thumbup::) Just seeing that makes me lean more towards the 38oz Guyot setup. Have you ever tried just mounting the bottle carrier on a belt? Is it cumbersome? It looks like I could malice strap it for horizontal carry in case it sits too high and butts against the bottom/side of my backpack. It's been a while since i've done the GI canteen bit, but if I remember correctly, it didn't get in the way. I tried carrying my sigg on my belt, but the tote i had was crappy and I couldn't position it comfortably where it was out of the way while wearing my backpack. I might just go ahead and get that guyot with cup in maxpedition carrier anyway; if it turns out it's too big for the belt, i can shoulder sling it for day hikes.
 
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A small, belt carried container for boiling water has always been difficult for me when organizing a survival kit. I have looked at the Mini Mess Tin from bestglide.com with interest, but have yet to buy one. You may want to take a look at them and decide for yourself.
 
I also like Quitbear's set up. I have that exact same little EZ-LAP pen sharpener and it is a great field sharpener. I use it all the time and it is very small. I sharpened an new
CS bolo machette with one. It was a lot of work but it is sharp as hell.

I really like the GI canteen with the cup and case. Those cups are very popular in Afrika I heard and are a decent size. Also you can hold the handle even when the water is boiling.


I just started reading Mors kochanski's book Bushcraft and realized a pot to boil water in
was a hugely important item for bush survival that we seem to forget about. My current PSK has about 6 ways to light a fire and no pot.

The design of the GI cup is very good as it is light and does not take up really any space if you already have a canteen. Still the steel guyot bottle does even better because it is the canteen but i prefer the GI. As a bonus the GI is cheap as well. Also if you come across a water source you can save the fresh water in your canteen and boil some river water in the cup. The cup is also a versatile tool like a scoop or berry container
 
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I just started reading Mors kochanski's book Bushcraft and realized a pot to boil water in was a hugely important item for bush survival that we seem to forget about. My current PSK has about 6 ways to light a fire and no pot.
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Exactly what i've come to realize. I thought I could just get by with a regular bottle or platypus on my belt, but I started to realize the necessity of having something to boil water or boil food in on your person at all times in case you lose your other gear.
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The design of the GI cup is very good as it is light and does not take up really any space if you already have a canteen. Still the steel guyot bottle does even better because it is the canteen but i prefer the GI. As a bonus the GI is cheap as well. Also if you come across a water source you can save the fresh water in your canteen and boil some river water in the cup. The cup is also a versatile tool like a scoop or berry container
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I agree, the GI is cheap and that's why i'd rather just get that for now. I can still boil stuff in the cup; it holds a decent volume. I'll save up a little and buy the guyot, GSI nesting cup, and maxpedition tote or other tote later.

Glad to hear i'm not the only one that's been trying to figure out the best method for this :) Thanks everyone for the responses, will update on whatever i do and post pics later.
 
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Yes, but that's the difference between a PSK and what Kochanski is teaching. Kochanski's book gives the basics on how to live in the wilderness. Like the old fur trappers, hunters and other used to do.
"Survival" is basically thriving until you are either rescued or make your way out.

Dick Proeneke is an example of Bushcrafting like Kochanski is talking.

PSK's are basically a kit that you can have on you, that you can "makeshift" what you need until help comes or you get back to civilization.

If it's a pot you're thinking about, you may want to look at a small coffee can. It can do what a pot can and then some. Use a coathanger or bailing wire and you can hang it right from your belt.

Hope I didn't come off as a smart ass or know-it-all.


HTH,
Shawn.
 
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Yes, but that's the difference between a PSK and what Kochanski is teaching. Kochanski's book gives the basics on how to live in the wilderness. Like the old fur trappers, hunters and other used to do.
"Survival" is basically thriving until you are either rescued or make your way out.

Dick Proeneke is an example of Bushcrafting like Kochanski is talking.

PSK's are basically a kit that you can have on you, that you can "makeshift" what you need until help comes or you get back to civilization.
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Hope I didn't come off as a smart ass or know-it-all.


HTH,
Shawn.
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Nah, it's cool. :) It is a good point in any case. I guess I lean towards the more durable kit items than the makeshift kits because in my head i'd rather have the things i could actually live with in a survival situation rather than things that might or might not last until rescued or I make my way out. As much as I can carry efficiently anyway. I'm always thinking about the worst case scenario, and what would benefit me in that case. I'm the "rather have it and not need it than want it and not have it type," which always challenges me when trying to keep the psk trim and light :o:D
 
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Nah, it's cool. :) It is a good point in any case. I guess I lean towards the more durable kit items than the makeshift kits because in my head i'd rather have the things i could actually live with in a survival situation rather than things that might or might not last until rescued or I make my way out. As much as I can carry efficiently anyway. I'm always thinking about the worst case scenario, and what would benefit me in that case. I'm the "rather have it and not need it than want it and not have it type," which always challenges me when trying to keep the psk trim and light :o:D
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Always remember that your most important tool is between your ears.

A forked stick or a flexable thumb-sized sapling with the end affixed in a ring with an oven bag will make a perfectly serviceable pot for boiling water.

A flat rock will make a perfectly serviceable skillet.

Two thin, shaved, straight and dry branches will be perfect chopsticks.

There are always ways to make what you need, if you just look at your supplies and see another way to use them.

That's the beauty of survival thinking: there's always another way to use something (foil, oven bag, safey pins, snare wire...), so that your kit stays light.

Lots of versatility in the simplest things. That's why you'll find foil, ovenbags, duct tape and trashbags as a staple of many kits.

But don't feel bad about being a big believer in the "Condom Principle"...I have a friend who is the same way. He wonders why my pack is just small knapsack where his is a full backpack. He's got everything from the auto fishing reel to premade trap triggers.

When I asked why he has so much he said: "Because I don't want to be caught in the wilderness without it."

My usual reply is: "I wouldn't like to be caught in the wilderness without central heat and air...but I can't pack it."

Which is just my way of saying that if you try to pack everything you think you'll need as an individual item, it'd take a GMC Kodiak or a Tractor Trailor to hold it all.


Ingenuity be duh key, brudder!

You'll find that the more skills you have, the less gear you carry.
Read, study, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, attend workshops and classes, practice, practice, practice, practice. Even if you have no place to do it but your back yard.
Make a bow drill, build an A-frame shelter, cut a stick and work on on a makeshift pot for water...then boil the water in and see if it works like you want or if you can fix anything to make it better.
Whittle out a figure four trap and play around with it.
Work on a new machine trap of some kind.

I'm sure I'm beatin' a dead horse here...but it's always good to keep it in mind that it don't take the wilderness to practice the skills.

:cool:
Shawn, Wilderness Survival Instructor
 
Check out my review of the guyot water bottle here
http://www.twowolvesoutdoor.com/guyotstandard.htm
and a review of the maxp. water bottle holder here
http://www.twowolvesoutdoor.com/10X4bottleholder.htm
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The sig bottle would be another rec.
I will have a review of that up soon

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KEmSAT-Survival said:
Ingenuity be duh key, brudder!

You'll find that the more skills you have, the less gear you carry.
Read, study, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, attend workshops and classes, practice, practice, practice, practice. Even if you have no place to do it but your back yard.
Make a bow drill, build an A-frame shelter, cut a stick and work on on a makeshift pot for water...then boil the water in and see if it works like you want or if you can fix anything to make it better.
Whittle out a figure four trap and play around with it.
Work on a new machine trap of some kind.

I'm sure I'm beatin' a dead horse here...but it's always good to keep it in mind that it don't take the wilderness to practice the skills.

:cool:
Shawn, Wilderness Survival Instructor
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Thanks Shawn! Great points, I have been trying to get out more to practice survival when I don't actually need to survive, and I've been trying to pick up things through bladeforums and literature (please recommend any if you wish). That's why i've been working on knocking my survival necessities down to a pouch on my belt rather than lugging around a backpack I could lose. I've been telling myself, "really, you don't need that" or "it'd be nice, but the weight/size outweighs the potential value". I will try the oven bag and with improvised ring frame. :) Thanks! :D
 
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Thanks Shawn! Great points, I have been trying to get out more to practice survival when I don't actually need to survive, and I've been trying to pick up things through bladeforums and literature (please recommend any if you wish). That's why i've been working on knocking my survival necessities down to a pouch on my belt rather than lugging around a backpack I could lose. I've been telling myself, "really, you don't need that" or "it'd be nice, but the weight/size outweighs the potential value". I will try the oven bag and with improvised ring frame. :) Thanks! :D
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Sure Can:

Ultimate Guide to Wilderness Survival--John and Geri McPhereson
Bushcraft- Mors Kochanski
How to Survive Anywhere- Chris Nyerges
Build the Perfect Survival Kit- John McAnn
98.6 Degrees The Art of Keeping Your Ass Alive- Cody Lunden
When All Hell Breaks Loose- Cody Lunden
The Woodsmaster Series of Hoods Woods Vids (they're actually my number one recommendation). Ron Hood is the man.
Wilderness Ways Magazine
Backwoodsman Magazine

You can read Tom Brown Jr, if you want, but I don't like him all that much. He gets a little to preachy and you feel like he's talking down to you the whole time you're reading.

I'd definately start with Big R's vids though.

You'd be surprised at how much stuff you can get by without carrying.


HTH

:cool:
Shawn, WSI KEmSAT

ETA: On the ring shaped stick and oven bag, try it and a forked stick. You may like one more than the other. Lots of times it just depends on how flexible a sapling you find.
Anyways, glad to give you something new to experiment with!
I dig helping folks.
 
:thumbup:Thanks! I've been eyeing a few of those books already, but haven't come across and will definitely check out Ron Hood's videos. Thanks again Shawn :D
 
The Woodsmaster Series of Hoods Woods Vids (they're actually my number one recommendation). Ron Hood is the man.

+1. Survival.com is the source for these.
 
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