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Benchmade 3v

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by Mo2, May 14, 2019.

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  1. Silent H

    Silent H

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    Feb 1, 2018
    One time I asked them about the discrepancy, the engineer on their company run forum told me they heat treat the M390 to be tougher and the 20CV to be harder, because those were the attributes they wanted to maximize from each steel. It was a while ago and I remember not being completely satisfied with their answer. I'll see if I can find the exact question and answer. Sounds familiar.
     
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  2. mrfields

    mrfields

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    Jun 30, 2017
    i’m sorry if i came across in any way as confrontational. that was not my intention at all. i was just throwing this out there as another possible source to look into for the op, yourself, or anyone else that might be interested.
     
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  3. marrenmiller

    marrenmiller Basic Member Basic Member

    Apr 6, 2017
    Nobody said it's your post or your responsibility to do so. We're just telling it like it is, which is that some good night come of it if you were to do so. Embarrass them on their forum and they usually respond. Or they lock the post, which is a response in and of itself. I don't think they have much incentive to respond to something that isn't on their own forum.
     
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  4. Velitrius

    Velitrius Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    Perhaps it's because you have like twice as many posts in the thread as the OP himself? Might explain it...

    But it's no matter, a thread is a thread, and those who have subject matter to contribute surely aren't limited in any way.

    I sincerely hope you get some resolution to this. If you get answers from BM on some other front, please share it here. :thumbsup:
     
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  5. Twindog

    Twindog Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 6, 2004
    That video by Brown Bear (in the OP) prying apart a wooden pallet with this little 2 ounce knife was darned impressive. I would never have guessed that such a light knife could take that kind of abuse.

    I destroyed a Randall fixed blade with about that level of abuse -- maybe less, because the Bear looks bigger, younger and tougher than me. It, too, was run very soft, as is Randall's wont. But the steel -- I think some flavor of 440 -- couldn't take the kind of abuse that that little Benchmade did.

    So Benchmade deserves some credit, even though it's not my kind of knife.

    By the way, that Randall came in at 7.1 oz.
     
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  6. Silent H

    Silent H

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    Feb 1, 2018
    That video is actually showing the 591 Boost, which as a blunted pry tip, and is more substantial at 4.5 oz. It definitely has more substantial liners than the Bailout. I haven't seen anyone subject the Bailout to substantial prying like that. the most abuse I've seen on the bailout was PM2OG's posts on instagram, where he hammered it through some concrete and thick wires (seen in the first two "Bailout test" youtube videos in the OP).
     
  7. Twindog

    Twindog Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 6, 2004
    Thank you for that correction. Even so, that 4.5 oz Boost did a lot better than my POS Randall, which is nearly twice as big and a lot more expensive -- plus it's a fixed blade.
     
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  8. Makael

    Makael KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Oct 17, 2015
    Unless you work for them, assuming they are try pull something is ridiculous. .
     
  9. Irch

    Irch Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 23, 2018
    Benchmade: Because we all beat our knives into cinderblock pavers, and cut rope into tiny pieces for hours.
     
  10. Alchemy1

    Alchemy1

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    Dec 31, 2011
    I’m not going to let people call me an idiot or see responses that don’t address the entire reason I started this conversation on my own platform without responding. I don’t know too many that would sit back and be name called or continue to let their point be misunderstood.

    If you all follow my IG/YT (I prefer my own platforms) I’m as transparent as the day is long. All info will be shared. I always have and always will. No matter who the company is. I think that is where people are getting this wrong as well. This is NOT a Benchmade thing. It just happens to involve a Benchmade knife. I have many more knives coming and they will be HRC’d as well. However they come up...it’ll be posted.
     
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  11. Alchemy1

    Alchemy1

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    Dec 31, 2011
    I literally have the screenshot. I don’t know what more I need to know. I’d post it, but I don’t want to betray the confidence of the person that sent it to me. Whoever runs their IG page literally said they saw the comment and were about to respond/reach out. That was over 25 hours ago.

    I know I lurk here and don’t have a rep, but ask about me. All the slip joint guys know me, The USN guys know me, and lots of people know me from IG. I have no reason to or history of lying.
     
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  12. Rasmus80

    Rasmus80

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    Sep 21, 2011
    Perhaps it is because only you and a couple other think this is a really big deal?

    It really isn't a big deal!

    There is no deception. They just made a knife in the way they wanted. Opted for toughness over edgeretention.
    And the edgeretention is just fine as it is. Just not stellar.
     
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  13. Alchemy1

    Alchemy1

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    So advertising a knife for “professionals” and saying the knife is going to have good toughness and good edge retention, but it doesn’t isn’t something of concern. Seeing steel after steel on knife after knife come up in such a way that we are getting performance of much lesser steel, but paying for premium steels isn’t something of concern? That’s the point all of the guys I know are trying to make. If you like paying for something and not getting it, that your right as a consumer, but I know that I do not and many others do not either.

    Again, this post was made about Bemchmade, but this is not just a Benchmade Bailout thing. This is happening with several different companies and knife steels. Even on such a basic level as overheated edges that cause a knife to under preform significantly until they’re sharpened a number of times. Again, if that’s not a concern to you, Godspeed to you, sir.
     
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  14. Rasmus80

    Rasmus80

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    Sep 21, 2011
    But Benchmade makes knives for the masses. Not connoisseurs.
    How many ropecuts would you consider "good"?
     
  15. Alchemy1

    Alchemy1

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    Dec 31, 2011
    Poor performance is poor performance. I’ll go right back to my Ferrari analogy. I’m sure the vast majority of Ferrari’s are driven around town well within the speed limit. Should you buy one and have them half the HP and then say, “we’ll you’re only going to drive around town. So, we’re going to charge you for the performance and give you half of it”. That would be okay too?

    Not everyone cuts rope and all abrasives affect steel differently. There is no one answer to that. What we do know, and even a few knife makers have chimed in, is that 55-58 is too low to have this particular steel hold an edge like it should as far as stability and wear resistance is concerned.
     
  16. Rasmus80

    Rasmus80

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    Sep 21, 2011
    But in your test, how many ropecuts would have satisfied you?

    When a product is made by a big manufacturer, many factors come in to play.
    Higher HRC means greater risc of chipping. Blades chipping equals more warranty claims.
    So they go for a product that will satisfy the masses and keep warranty claims down.
     
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  17. Alchemy1

    Alchemy1

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    Dec 31, 2011
    3v is not prone to chipping and that’s a general characteristic of tool/high carbon steels. They roll rather than chip. Also, if someone warranty’s a blade for a chip, I think that’s a little extreme. If they send it in for lifesharp to be sharpened (which is what needs to be done and not warranty work) that is free with purchase. So, that would not be a factor, even if 3v was prone to chipping. I’d also suggest that the person that would send a knife in for chips learns how to sharpen. Chips, rolls, and dulling are going to happen if you use a knife.
     
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  18. Rasmus80

    Rasmus80

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    Sep 21, 2011
    People will make warranty claims over the slightest faults. Believe me, I know.
    Even self inflicted damage.
    And it just wouldn't cut it for Benchmade, to deal with a warranty claim by saying; "you should learn how to sharpen your knjfe".
     
  19. Alchemy1

    Alchemy1

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    Dec 31, 2011
    Lifesharp is included with purchase. It’s free and expected. 3v is also not prone to chipping.
     
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  20. Rasmus80

    Rasmus80

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    Sep 21, 2011
    Yes, free for the customer. Not free for the manufacturer.
    The more "lifesharp" requests they get, the more time and money is tied to that task.
     
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