Benchmade cuts up guns now?

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mylest said:
Look at all the people crying over a few guns being destroyed. Where are all those tears for the victims of our uniquely American gun problems?
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Because it's impossible to care about preserving the 2nd Amendment and victims of gun violence at the same time.

That dog won't hunt monsignor. Come back when the other half of your brain has started functioning properly.
 
bossbrigand said:
I'm not going to engage you aggressively. Instead, I'm going to offer you a platform. What do you think the problem is? What do you think the solutions are?
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Even the right leaning news outlets will show you the problem. Even they agree that more shootings in 2019 than we’ve had DAYS in 2019 is the problem.
 
mylest said:
Even the right leaning news outlets will show you the problem. Even they agree that more shootings in 2019 than we’ve had DAYS in 2019 is the problem.
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If sweeping attacks and nonspecific grandstanding is all you can offer, I'm going to tell you the same thing everyone else is going to tell you. I'm offering you a chance to stop hiding behind other people's nice sounding sentiments and actually talk turkey. I want your thoughts, not the media's. Put up or shut up.
 
Could all this just be a ploy by Big Gun to get people to buy more guns instead of buying used ones? I doubt they're sad to see guns off the market. If anything, Benchmade is contributing to more guns being made and sold!
 
Infi-del said:
That's not what he asked you. What is your solution? Don't just piss a moan about a problem. Suggest a solution.
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Well no civilian needs any AR platform, useless for hunting, overkill for self defense, (to be honest I’ve no idea how to solve that. No buyback would get all of them and confiscating isn’t going to work either), age needs to be 21 to purchase a firearm, it should have to be registered, background checks required no exceptions, and training should certainly be required as well. That’d be a nice start. Shotguns, handguns, hunting rifles all have some purpose other than firing dozens of rounds in seconds.
 
mylest said:
Even the right leaning news outlets will show you the problem. Even they agree that more shootings in 2019 than we’ve had DAYS in 2019 is the problem.
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So disarming law abiding citizens and making them standing targets unable to defend themselves makes them safer? That makes my family safer?

News flash, the deadliest school massacre in US history was done with gasoline and bombs:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster


Removing guns from the law abiding citizen makes absolutely no one safer. Calling the police is an after the fact solution. Doesn't do diddly squat for the person in need of saving their own life.


So... Ban gasoline? Vehicles that can run over crowds? Knives that can commit "mass stabbings" ? :rolleyes:
 
The same people that are horrified at a handful of kids getting killed by ARs were jumping up and down in celebration about being able to murder children wholesale at 8-1/2 months in the mothers stomach in NY.
 
shinyedges said:
So disarming law abiding citizens and making them standing targets unable to defend themselves makes them safer? That makes my family safer?

News flash, the deadliest school massacre in US history was done with gasoline and bombs:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster


Removing guns from the law abiding citizen makes absolutely no one safer. Calling the police is an after the fact solution. Doesn't do diddly squat for the person in need of saving their own life.


So... Ban gasoline? Vehicles that can run over crowds? Knives that can commit "mass stabbings" ? :rolleyes:
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Did I say anything about disarming? You can defend your family just as well with a handgun or shotgun.
tokerblue said:
And there it is. The 2A is about hunting.
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You think if the US government wanted to turn on its citizens a couple good ol boys with AR15s are going to stop them? Lol good luck with that
 
00ChevyScott said:
Great idea! Let’s keep giving money to political parties that hate us and oppress us!

Is that what logic and reason is these days? What about backbone and principles?
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Calm down. It's just business. You don't understand the politics of the area. Oregon has great gun laws. A couple grand to one politician or another isn't going to change that.
 
This thread has become irredeemable. No place for abortion talk in a forum about a knife company.
 
mylest said:
Well no civilian needs any AR platform, useless for hunting, overkill for self defense, (to be honest I’ve no idea how to solve that. No buyback would get all of them and confiscating isn’t going to work either), age needs to be 21 to purchase a firearm, it should have to be registered, background checks required no exceptions, and training should certainly be required as well. That’d be a nice start. Shotguns, handguns, hunting rifles all have some purpose other than firing dozens of rounds in seconds.
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I have guns to defend myself from people like YOU.
 
mylest said:
Well no civilian needs any AR platform, useless for hunting, overkill for self defense, (to be honest I’ve no idea how to solve that. No buyback would get all of them and confiscating isn’t going to work either), age needs to be 21 to purchase a firearm, it should have to be registered, background checks required no exceptions, and training should certainly be required as well. That’d be a nice start.
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Here's some of my thoughts on these.

1) According to the FBI, ARs constitute an infinitesimally small fraction of firearms crime. While apparently frequently used in mass shootings, in truth they are usually abandoned by the shooter who ends up using a pistol or shotgun for the bulk of the work. They are widely used in hunting, especially small game, and are ideal for self defense because they don't over-penetrate (endangering other occupants of a home or apartment complex, for example). Moreover, an AR15 is functionally no different from, say, the Mini-14. What problems would banning the AR platform solve if similar 5.56 semi automatic rifles are exact drop-in replacements?
2) Why does the purchasing age need to be 21? At 18, you're a free adult - all your rights are unlocked. You can buy a car, buy a house, join the army, move anywhere you want, vote, become a police officer, etc. Under-21s constitute a small percentage of firearms crime and what percentage they do account for is mostly committed with guns stolen from relatives.
3) Registries have never been demonstrated to have any positive impact on crime rates (t. CDC, FBI). It's one of those things that sounds like it might be useful, but in practice, it isn't.
4) Background checks are already required on all sales of new firearms. They are not required for transfers between civilians - in fact, non-FFLs aren't allowed to run background checks through NICS. I can get behind this one - I would feel a lot better if I at least had the option of running the check before selling a firearm to another private party.
5) Training required is a tough one. I'm cool with it in principle, but who pays for it? How do you know if someone's already had it? Schools used to have basic firearms handling courses as part of health/life skills classes, but that's no longer the case. Should we go back to that?
 
Why don't the people wanting to turn us into England just move there? Why do we have to be disarmed too? Wtf.

Want to be incapable of defending your family and self? Move somewhere that does that for you. Don't turn us into that. I like being able to guard my own life and family's life.
 
mylest said:
Look at all the people crying over a few guns being destroyed. Where are all those tears for the victims of our uniquely American gun problems?
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If you think that any actual problem in America is unique, you clearly haven't looked at the rest of the world as well as you think you have.

And we don't have a gun problem in this country. Almost every developed and undeveloped country in the would has some form of gun violence. You want to actually make a dent in gun violence in this country? Maybe stop complaining about inanimate objects and start working toward social solutions that lead to the outcomes that we want. You can start by ending the war on drugs and help ensure it's nowhere near as profitable for young black men to kill each other in gangs over the right to sell a plant on a street corner. And you'll have to fight big Pharma and the Privatized prison system to make it happen. Now you have an actual useful assignment. Go get it done.

And stop trying to lay any and all issues in the country at the feet of people who don't agree with you politically. Children think in binary terms, and I'd bet you're older than a toddler. Maybe act like it.
 
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