benchmade kind of letting me down

2 of the 3 BMs I've purchased within the last few months have come with an off-centered blade.

The limited run all black 940 Osborne came extremely off-centered (Here's 2 pics I took of it, the 2nd one is showing the scratch in the coating from rubbing up against the handle: http://imgur.com/a/vlk0B )
My 810 Contego is a little off-centered, but I don't mind, it's minimal. (Really loving the 810, it's an awesome large EDC/tactical folder.)
My 275 Adamas is the only BM knife I've purchased within the last 3 months that came with perfect centering and no QC problems.
 
chad2 said:
So for 5$ i can get a 154cm peice of steel that is .116 " thick 1 1/2" wide and 5" long which would more then compensate for the lock and pivot portion of the blade go to alpha knife supply. And that would give extra steel also. For 4.20 $ i can get two peices of 1/8" thick by 1 1/2" wide by 5" long black g10. We are up to 9.20 $ so far that leaves 30.80$ for 1/16" thick 420j stainless steel which would be cheaper then the g10 and the rest for pocket clip and hardware come on and they maximize material use with waterjetting and recycling with the steel company. They are in all actuallity making like a 720% profit if you break it down to the size and that is still being genrous. Some of that money should go to QA. No?

These are all materials to make a rift and i worked the percentages out for 180 msrp but it is actually 190msrp. It just keeps getting better.
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So employee labor and benefits, milling, drilling, and grinding machines and their repair costs, cad programs and designs, building cost and maintenance, and etc, and etc all mean nothing and don't play into the cost of a knife? You tell me? ;)
 
Keep in mind that these are prices for me now benchmade can get these materials for at least 30% cheaper then you or i, buying in bulk and being such a big company. So that 720% profit is based off of prices that i can get the material for, not what benchmade gets it for. So they are actually most likely making a 936% profit, dont tell me it should not be perfect because it should be spectacular, perfect does not describe how good they should come from the factory.
 
vwb563 said:
So employee labor and benefits, milling, drilling, and grinding machines and their repair costs, cad programs and designs, building cost and maintenance, and etc, and etc all mean nothing and don't play into the cost of a knife? You tell me? ;)
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Like i said going off of material cost only, because that is the only thing that i/we can give exact prices for they are making an amazing profit. How are you arguing this are they not a huge company is the owner or owners not extremely wealthy they obviously are making an enormous profit other wise they would not be around.

You can not tell me that atleast one knife a day pays an employee for that day and that is a lot of money a day for one person now tell how many knives come out of there factory a day and then tell me how many employees they have? You cant so dont argue something with no backing bro. I am arguing a point that i have info on you are arguing just to argue
 
Now having all of this new knowledge about materials and pricing what kind of percentage of profit do you think they make off of the 3300 infidel otf at a msrp of 460$
 
You have absolutely no idea how much money they make on a knife. Material costs are nothing compared to just one large CNC machine. Profit also has nothing to do with how tight a clip should be. You think it should be tight, but this thread alone shows many people want it a bit loose. Should they all start threads that they are let down because BM clips are too tight? I'm also sure many people would take one of your knives and come back with a lot of things they don't like.

Sounds like you have an issue with Benchmade and should stick with other brands.
 
FlaMtnBkr said:
You have absolutely no idea how much money they make on a knife. Material costs are nothing compared to just one large CNC machine. Profit also has nothing to do with how tight a clip should be. You think it should be tight, but this thread alone shows many people want it a bit loose. Should they all start threads that they are let down because BM clips are too tight? I'm also sure many people would take one of your knives and come back with a lot of things they don't like.

Sounds like you have an issue with Benchmade and should stick with other brands.
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Ah wrong again those machines are done and paid for by now come on guys. Lets get some rock solid info like i gave and yes i do know how much it cost to make a knife. Yet again tell me how many knives roll off of there assembly line a day and at what average price and then tell me how many employees they have you dont have that kind of info either so dont argue about something you have no idea about either. The only argument i have made is the profit they make from a knife that in MATERIALS! only cost them maybe 25$. Dont argue a point that you have no info on.

And i love benchmades knives and will continue to buy them but i do know that i have never seen or bought any other benchmade or any brand of knife that had there clips this way so to me it seemed like it was a QA problem. Now if i am wrong and these knives clips were made to be that way then i will step back but can you tell me for sure that they were supposed to be that way? No you cant because! They were not supposed to be that way right? So what is a real arguement instead of being kids here and arguing for the sack of arguing give me some info on why my clips are coming to me from the factory like this.
 
Dude, every single thing you are arguing over is an assumption. And profit is only weakly linked to material costs so give it up. Benchmade just brought most overseas production back to the US and are constantly expanding manufacturing capacity. I highly doubt a dozen or more high end CNC machines bought in the last 2 years are paid for yet. Plus the space they are located, the 150 workers running them, the electricity to turn hundreds of horsepower in electric motors, tooling and grinding. The only people who may know the profit per knife model are the accountants and number crunchers and the CEO/ CFO. To claim you have some take on their production costs and profit is just ignorant. Obviously in the late teenage/ early 20s know it all phase.
 
chad2 said:
Ah wrong again those machines are done and paid for by now come on guys. Lets get some rock solid info like i gave and yes i do know how much it cost to make a knife. Yet again tell me how many knives roll off of there assembly line a day and at what average price and then tell me how many employees they have you dont have that kind of info either so dont argue about something you have no idea about either. The only argument i have made is the profit they make from a knife that in MATERIALS! only cost them maybe 25$. Dont argue a point that you have no info on.

And i love benchmades knives and will continue to buy them but i do know that i have never seen or bought any other benchmade or any brand of knife that had there clips this way so to me it seemed like it was a QA problem. Now if i am wrong and these knives clips were made to be that way then i will step back but can you tell me for sure that they were supposed to be that way? No you cant because! They were not supposed to be that way right? So what is a real arguement instead of being kids here and arguing for the sack of arguing give me some info on why my clips are coming to me from the factory like this.
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I''m not trying to argue with you chad2, I was honestly bewildered by the way this thread unraveled all because of a clip you found to be unacceptable. The direction of your ensuing discourse, made it appear that you do not really understand a lot of things. Loose clips are nothing to get worked up over, there are far worse things than this. As a knifemaker, you should know the real cost of things. You didn't include your time for labor, shipping, or factor in heat treating, packaging, marketing and other advertising and extraneous costs involved. It's not 300 or even 750% profit.

I can tell you that the majority of people that have experience with knives, production and custom folders don't see a "loose" clip as the end of the world. I would actually be pretty embarrassed to call their customer support and discuss this topic with them or any other manufacturer. They would probably think i was a bit off my rocker, making such an ordeal, taking time out of my day, letting the rage build up all day, over a clip.

I doubt it's a defect, QC problem, or anything other than a fluke. The triviality of the entire thing is a bit much for me. So no hard feelings, and enjoy your knives.
 
Yeah you wouldn't think a 'loose' clip would be a second thought for a 'knifemaker'. As someone who likes knives the first thing I do with a new one is adjust the clip to the position and tightness that I like. Then adjust the pivot and apply my preferred thread locker. Then put the type of edge on the knife which may include a more acute bevel. That's just to make it how I like it and nothing I would call a fault. And I can do all that pretty easy and I am far from a 'knife maker'. Not sure why anyone would get so upset over it for sure.

When I get in a new car I also adjust the seat belt, seat, steering wheel, etc. Why not make things how you like them and as comfortable as possible?
 
FlaMtnBkr said:
Dude, every single thing you are arguing over is an assumption. And profit is only weakly linked to material costs so give it up. Benchmade just brought most overseas production back to the US and are constantly expanding manufacturing capacity. I highly doubt a dozen or more high end CNC machines bought in the last 2 years are paid for yet. Plus the space they are located, the 150 workers running them, the electricity to turn hundreds of horsepower in electric motors, tooling and grinding. The only people who may know the profit per knife model are the accountants and number crunchers and the CEO/ CFO. To claim you have some take on their production costs and profit is just ignorant. Obviously in the late teenage/ early 20s know it all phase.
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I will ignore this comment this is why bladeforums gets its rep. Its all of you guys out there looking to prove ppl wrong all day long. You sit there looking for someone you can argue with and i am the 24 year old who is ignorant if you are such a smart bad a$$ why even reply to the thread. Everyone wants to prove something. Read my original post again and you will see that all i wanted was to see if this was a normal practice of benchmades. I have a job so no i cant get on in the middle of the day to stop the bad mouthing of benchmade.
 
RevDevil said:
I''m not trying to argue with you chad2, I was honestly bewildered by the way this thread unraveled all because of a clip you found to be unacceptable. The direction of your ensuing discourse, made it appear that you do not really understand a lot of things. Loose clips are nothing to get worked up over, there are far worse things than this. As a knifemaker, you should know the real cost of things. You didn't include your time for labor, shipping, or factor in heat treating, packaging, marketing and other advertising and extraneous costs involved. It's not 300 or even 750% profit.

I can tell you that the majority of people that have experience with knives, production and custom folders don't see a "loose" clip as the end of the world. I would actually be pretty embarrassed to call their customer support and discuss this topic with them or any other manufacturer. They would probably think i was a bit off my rocker, making such an ordeal, taking time out of my day, letting the rage build up all day, over a clip.

I doubt it's a defect, QC problem, or anything other than a fluke. The triviality of the entire thing is a bit much for me. So no hard feelings, and enjoy your knives.
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Thanks for being an adult about this like i said before my original post was only to see if other ppl have this problem with benchmade or if they are supposed to be that way and for some reason ppl started bad mouthing benchmade not my intent at all
 
FlaMtnBkr said:
Dude, every single thing you are arguing over is an assumption. And profit is only weakly linked to material costs so give it up. Benchmade just brought most overseas production back to the US and are constantly expanding manufacturing capacity. I highly doubt a dozen or more high end CNC machines bought in the last 2 years are paid for yet. Plus the space they are located, the 150 workers running them, the electricity to turn hundreds of horsepower in electric motors, tooling and grinding. The only people who may know the profit per knife model are the accountants and number crunchers and the CEO/ CFO. To claim you have some take on their production costs and profit is just ignorant. Obviously in the late teenage/ early 20s know it all phase.
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chad2 said:
I will ignore this comment this is why bladeforums gets its rep. Its all of you guys out there looking to prove ppl wrong all day long. You sit there looking for someone you can argue with and i am the 24 year old who is ignorant if you are such a smart bad a$$ why even reply to the thread. Everyone wants to prove something. Read my original post again and you will see that all i wanted was to see if this was a normal practice of benchmades. I have a job so no i cant get on in the middle of the day to stop the bad mouthing of benchmade.
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I'm going to be honest. I'm tired, grouchy and not in the mood to deal with any BS tonight. Both of you are starting with the personal remarks. You will stop and this is the only warning you're going to get.
 
Benchmade it is sort of US quality for US price. I personally do not spend much time meditating on it. I have got many knives from BM as well as from Spyderco, from Kershaw and some from Buck and SOG and even from CRKT: why not! If somebody likes to believe in good knife manufacturers and in evil knife manufacturers - that is up to them. I myself like to buy whatever I like and can afford: end of story! And so far I do not believe I have purchased a single knife which price was totally out of proportion with its quality or a knife I had to return because of serious quality issues. I do not think it is a special skill of mine of some sort or good luck: I guess most of it was what market did for me. So why not to take it easy and let market do all the work! We should get some positive energy from our hobby. At least in this case we all can afford to simply stay away from whatever upsets us - simple as that! :)
 
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Email or call them and let them know your thoughts. Enough people complained about the out of box sharpness of their knives and I read in the forum the benchmade moderator posted awhile back that they are addressing the issue. They can't fix the issue if they don't get the feedback. You could also buy a really nice custom clip like a titanium one from STR that are high quality and you can get them in a deep carry style too. Its our responsibility as consumers to let them know if they do not meet our expectations.
 
Mr. Pink said:
Email or call them and let them know your thoughts. Enough people complained about the out of box sharpness of their knives and I read in the forum the benchmade moderator posted awhile back that they are addressing the issue. They can't fix the issue if they don't get the feedback.
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Soft flesh tested it myself lol I can assure you they fixed that issue. And seriously if your that upset about the clip return the knife or give benchmade feed back. If you don't give them the feedback they will have no way of knowing that you are unhappy therefore they cannot address the issue.
 
Integral clips went away due to issues. It undoubtedly costs much more to make sepqarate metal clips, drill and tap liners or add inserts, and have someone screw it all together. Something simple like the clip has seen developments like the autclip, the boker clip, the caswell inline clip, or the hawk grip clip.

It shouldn't be about settling and self tinkering, it should be improvement and advancement in every facet of design, production, and QC.
 
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