Best 3-4'' folder for sd use.

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gine

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Blade friends, what is your opinion on a 3-4'' folder that would be best suited for sd purposes.Please don't include karambits or autos.
 
I have a hard time recommending knives of any size for self defense for several reasons. For example, it's extremely hard to legally justify especially when compared to more humane sd tools such as the stinger.

If you insist on using a knife pick a cheap but sturdy one that you can quickly deploy. It must be cheap because you might not get it back after using it (likely to be kept as evidence).
 
Check out the Tactical Practical forum over in Tactics&Training, gine.

Tons of threads on that very question!
 
Amen to J Garth's reply. I would select a cocked and locked Browning HP in .40 Short and Weak. The LOTS of practice still holds true.
 
nephildevil said:
in sd u have your life do defend

u've got only one of those

mine ain't going cheap
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That's a fair sentiment, but the simple fact is the effective difference in a fight between a $600 knife and a $20 knife of comparable blade length and sharpness is basically nonexistent unless you managed to find a knife so crappily constructed that the blade breaks off in the other dude or falls out of the handle.
 
This has been talked about on another froum that I belong to. And a person that I have GREAT respect for said you are better off carrying a gun if that is at all posable. When someone is stabed, people automaticly start thinking that the person who did the stabing is a gang banger with a switch blade who looking to get his bone. I completely agree with that statement.

That being said I recomend that you get an AO. In stressful times the fine moter skills required to open a knife can be a bit hard to do. With an AO as long as you push the stud or disk a small amount you will have the knife ready to go.
So I would recomend a Kershaw Avlanch, or Blur. Both are AOs, a little over 3in blades and not to pricy. If you want something with a longer blade then maby a Benchmade 912 or 913 stryker. But the BM is a little more expencive.
 
gine said:
Blade friends, what is your opinion on a 3-4'' folder that would be best suited for sd purposes.Please don't include karambits or autos.
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It's been recently discontinued but one would be the BM 806. Another would be a Strider SMF. IMHO

But, a Springfield M1A Scout or SOCOM might improve your odds. :D
 
Assuming you're trained to use a knife and you have no better options, I'd go with a Spyderco Endura 4 Wave. Wave feature is great, cheap enough to replace, tough as any other folder and makes a good sound so you know the lock is engaged.
 
Not everyone can carry a gun, especially if they work for a bigger company.

If you decide to carry a knife for self defense, get training.

Having a knife confiscated after an assault will be the worst of your worries if you end up stabbing someone in SD, spend the money for a quality weapon. $130 will buy you a very nice SD knife like a spyderco Military or an Emerson CQC-7. I doubt quality gets much higher, you can pay more for a knife that isn't much better. I like just about anything Spyderco, Emerson, or Benchmade. I carry an Emerson, haven't been able to tote anything else since I got my Commander.


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357Wheelgunner said:
Having a knife confiscated after an assault will be the worst of your worries if you end up stabbing someone in SD, spend the money for a quality weapon.
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That's a reasonable position to take, but I still say buy cheap.

Just to play devil's advocate here are a couple arguments to consider:
-If you end up stabbing someone you'll be stressed enough that you'll want as few things to worry about as possible. It's not fun to have to worry about legal troubles and the fact that you just lost a $130 knife.
-One to three million people die every year from malaria, most of them children. If you bought a $30 knife instead of a $130 knife and donated only half of the savings that could save the lives of 100 children. Then if you got torn up in a fight you could die with a clearer conscience.

edit: I wholeheartedly agree with the most important part of your post. If you're going to use a knife get whatever training it takes so that you know what you're doing!
 
The best thing is to get trained to defend yourself against an attack without a weapon in the event you have none or even if you have one how to transition to your weapon.
 
You would be hard pressed to find a knife tougher in that size than the Spyderco S30V Native. $40 at Wal-Mart.
 
I carry an Emerson Commander which has a 'wave' feature which causes the knife to open up all by itself when I pull it out of my pocket, now try to beat that with an auto! Emersons are a bit pricy, but if you want something cheaper, there is the SOG Pentagon elite I. This is a really cool knife and if you check out SOG's website and look at the pic, it is designed for stabbing. It has a sharktooth tip and is shaped like a spear. It has a 4" blade and has a little serrated area for work or household chores. It also has the arc-lock which is tested out at over a 1000 pounds of pressure. This is a plus since it wouldn't do you any good to stab somebody just to have your fingers chopped off by your own knife. If you want just a little bit cheaper than this, there is always the benchmade griptillians. These are probably the best knives for the money, plus they even make a trainer version since it is widely used for SD. They usually sell around 80~90 bucks and have the axis lock which is also 1000 pounds at the lock. This knife also has a nice 154cm steel which is way better than the sog pentagon I mentioned above (aus 8 for the sog pentagon). Hope this helps, J.
 
I have several Emersons and rate them highly. However, I'm not entirely convinced about the Wave. It is not a foolproof device. It tends to work best in jeans, less so in chino type pants. The thumb disk or Spyder hole is pretty damn fool proof. Fortunately on Emersons you have the option of both.

My opinion on the gun vs knife debate is this: strapping a gun on every day is a fairly big step, unless you work in law enforcement or related security type work. Carrying a knife is a lot easier IMO. The best SD weapon is the one you have on you at the time, a statement so oft repeated it is practically a cliche.

The whole issue about a knife having a poor image as a SD weapon is a bit silly IMO. If you're involved in a SD situation and have to shoot someone, do you think the cops will look at you differently than if you used a knife? Any situation where someone is wounded/killed by a deadly weapon (whether it be a baseball bat or an assault rifle) will be the subject of a police investigation. If you have a legitimate reason to use your weapon, ie, it is a justfiable case of self-defence, you will be exonerated. It is very advisable that you have a good working knowledge of the law governing lethal weapons in your state though, before you start packing a gun or knife.

I believe most people are more likely to slip a knife into their pockets when leaving their homes for the day. However, there will be times when you will want to pack a firearm. So why not get both?

I would recommend the Glock 26 and Benchmade 710 as a great starting point for SD. The 26 is a great little gun, is easy to carry and shoot, and offers 10 rounds of 9mm para. The BM 710 offers the axis-lock, D2 steel, and a great blade profile for self defence, and other more mundane chores (which will be what you use it for most of the time).

If you feel you'd like to spend a little more on the knife, by all means get an Emerson. I prefer the 8, 11, 13 or PSARK. Bear in mind though most Emersons are large knives and are not sheeple friendly./

Mark
 
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