Best argument for 'The Hole' ever.

[BladeScout]

First of all nothing against Hinderer and/or ZT, Im sure their quality is excellent.

Further more people can buy which ever knives they want for their money and choose which ever opening system, they want for their folders.

Personally, I was never an ardent fan of thumb studs or thumb plates for some reason.

The failure of thumb studs/stop posts seems to me to be another excellent argument for the Spyderco hole - an opening device of which Im already a big fan.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1432015-ZT-0562CF-M390-Blade-cracked-at-jimping

 

[Goose 7279]

I disagree the thread even states it wasnt mated properly ie hole was too small or thumb stud made too large look into front flippers then you dont even get a hole or thumbstuds

 

[BladeScout]

I disagree the thread even states it wasnt mated properly ie hole was too small or thumb stud made too large look into front flippers then you dont even get a hole or thumbstuds

I dont understand, you 'disagree the thread??'

Maybe throw a comma or two and some punctuation in there. Im not being snide, your post is merely difficult to deciphre.

What do you disagree with; that Im a fan of the Spyderco hole, that Im not a big fan of thumb studs or discs or...what?

Im ar a loss to explain your post - I state that IM a fan of the Hole and not a big fan of thumb studs. Then I link to a thread, where its clearly explained that if a too big post or stud is pressed into a too small hole, then you might risk of a stress fracture.

You basically just reiterate, what I link to. Im quite aware, of what I linked to...

Maybe I wasnt quite clear, Ill try another tack - Im sure Hinderers are excellent quality and Ive had several knives with thumb studs through the years AND people can buy what ever they want BUT I was never a big fan of thumb studs and if there is even a small risk of - as described clearly in the link- that an oversized stop post or thumb stud was pressed into a too small hole, that just makes me appreciate Spyder holes even more:thumbup:

My point it, that its nice, that we as customers have the option of buying various Spyderco models, where there are no thumb studs or posts on the blade thus eliminating the risk of said studs or posts fracturing a blade.

Of course thumb studs and stop posts work on folders - that has been pretty well established. The post and/or studs fracturing the blades are (hopefully) in the minority.

As for limiting myself to flippers; why on earth do you suggest that, after I clearly stated, that Im a big fan of the Spyderco Hole!!??

... and why limit oneself to merely flipping, when you can have the best of two worlds; the excellent Spyderco Hole, which IMO is very close to the top of folder opening devices, AND a flipper.

Enter for example the Spyderco Southard, which is one of my favorite folders.

 

[Lycosa]

The Hole beats the Flip.
For me, anyhoo.
rolf

 

[BladeScout]

The Hole beats the Flip.

I agree.

I LIKE flippers but I PREFER the Spyderco Hole.

I do like my Spyderco-Southard, as that combines the best of two worlds.

 

[PeteyTwoPointOne]

SpyderHole and Clipits really revitalized a knife industry which had gotten stagnant without a lot of innovation for decades.

A similar revolution was helped along <if not STARTED> by Spyderco's experimentation / use / development of out of the ordinary steels...

I am of the STRONG personal opinion that Spyderco's efforts really made everyone up their game back in the 90's .... and we're still riding that wave of innovation and evolution of man's most useful tool up till today! :thumbup::thumbup:

 

[mrdeus]

I dont understand, you 'disagree the thread??'

Maybe throw a comma or two and some punctuation in there. Im not being snide, your post is merely difficult to deciphre.

...

You basically just reiterate, what I link to. Im quite aware, of what I linked to...

What's not to understand? The statement you made was "The failure of thumb studs/stop posts seems to me to be another excellent argument for the Spyderco hole" and, as far as I understand, Goose argued that it was an implementation issue and not an issue with the design. You could cut a spydiehole wrong too, which could result in blade failure, but that doesn't mean that the concept of an opening hole is bad.

I'm not being snide, but throw an apostrophe or two in there (and lose or move a few commas).

 

[BladeScout]

What's not to understand? The statement you made was "The failure of thumb studs/stop posts seems to me to be another excellent argument for the Spyderco hole" and, as far as I understand, Goose argued that it was an implementation issue and not an issue with the design. You could cut a spydiehole wrong too, which could result in blade failure, but that doesn't mean that the concept of an opening hole is bad.

Hmmmmm ..., *SIGH*
Not quite sure, what you mean by 'an implementation issue' (strange choice of words).

If you by 'implementation issue' mean (and why not just say so), that a stress fracture can be the result of pressing an oversize post or stud into what is then an undersize hole, that was something, that was quite clearly stated in the link, which I furnished in the OP. So, that is kind of a given...

Again, why reiterate that for the second time in this thread.

(if only people would actually read and assimilate the posts, they comment on. For a guy who call himself GOD, that shouldnt be a too tall order after all).

You could cut a spydiehole wrong too, which could result in blade failure, but that doesn't mean that the concept of an opening hole is bad.

(insert rolls eyes icon here).

No apostrophe or comma moving needed, thank you. I believe my posts in this thread (though maybe not perfect) are still perfectly understandable within the parametres of quick and dirty (non spell checked) conversation on a web forum, where as the lack of punctuation in the second post in this thread makes my head hurt. In short; yes, you ARE being snide.

 

[BladeScout]

SpyderHole and Clipits really revitalized a knife industry which had gotten stagnant without a lot of innovation for decades.

A similar revolution was helped along <if not STARTED> by Spyderco's experimentation / use / development of out of the ordinary steels...

I am of the STRONG personal opinion that Spyderco's efforts really made everyone up their game back in the 90's .... and we're still riding that wave of innovation and evolution of man's most useful tool up till today! :thumbup::thumbup:

I agree.

A revolution of sorts in the knife community.

Though I like knives from other brands, the Spyderco knives are in a league of their own in regards to innovations and shape dictated by how user friendly the knife is over looks.

With a slew of other knife brands having picked up the scent, it will be interesting to see, how Spyderco will maintain the lead in the future and not least the resulting (no doubt innovative) knives.

 

[Brusiedmeat]

Best argument.. Not quite.
Failure of thumb studs/stop posts.. Very few, so not quite..
We like spydie holes, but What is your point again?

 

[Petunia D. Feeble]

Hmmmmm ..., *SIGH*
Not quite sure, what you mean by 'an implementation issue' (strange choice of words).

If you by 'implementation issue' mean (and why not just say so), that a stress fracture can be the result of pressing an oversize post or stud into what is then an undersize hole, that was something, that was quite clearly stated in the link, which I furnished in the OP. So, that is kind of a given...

Again, why reiterate that for the second time in this thread.

(if only people would actually read and assimilate the posts, they comment on. For a guy who call himself GOD, that shouldnt be a too tall order after all).


(insert rolls eyes icon here).

No apostrophe or comma moving needed, thank you. I believe my posts in this thread (though maybe not perfect) are still perfectly understandable within the parametres of quick and dirty (non spell checked) conversation on a web forum, where as the lack of punctuation in the second post in this thread makes my head hurt. In short; yes, you ARE being snide.

An "implementation issue" is an issue with the way it's implemented... go figure.

You're blaming the thumb stud for the crack and using that as an argument for the Spydiehole. That'd be like stating a Mazda Miata is better than a Greyhound Bus because it didn't smash the overhang at the drive thru. Is it really the bus's fault or did you have an "implementation issue?"

Like Goose stated in his poorly punctuated, but still quite clear response, I disagree with you. I certainly love me some Spydie hole, but I wouldn't say that a stress crack in a single ZT due to a poorly fit stud is a valid argument for the Spydie hole being better. There have been plenty of examples of Spydies experiencing cracks and even complete breaks at the hole.

The absurdly condescending way in which you've responded to those that politely disagreed with the opinion you've posted in an open forum on the Internet further discounts that opinion I'm afraid. Good day.

 

[BladeScout]

Best argument.. Not quite.

To each his own - take it with a grain of salt

Failure of thumb studs/stop posts.. Very few

....as was stated in the link in the OP.

We like spydie holes, but What is your point again?

My point? My point being that I appreciate the Spyderco Hole even more after reading about stress fractures in other knives caused by thumb studs and/or stop posts - this particular stress fracture being avoided in knives, which lack the thumb stud and/or post stop feature.

As for your 'point' about the stress fractures being few and far between (which is correct and stated in the link in the OP) ponder this: The stress fractures have happened in some knives with that feature (studs/posts).
How many Spyderco knives have failed due to stress fractures over time.

I remember posts on the knife forums about a Southard failing. Then some went after the construction of that knife as being flimsy (which it clearly is not) but how many Spyderco Southards have been written about in regards to having failed since then? Not any, that I know of.

Thats a pretty dang good track record IMO. Its a nice comfortable feeling not having a potential stress fracture point in ones knife (even with stud/posts failings being far and few between). I repeat, I now appreciate the Spyderco Hole even more.

 

[kniferbro]

Too much time in W&C prospect

 

[BladeScout]

You're blaming the thumb stud for the crack and using that as an argument for the Spydiehole.

Not at all.
I merely appreciate the Spyderco Hole more after reading text in said link.
To each his own - as you mention, there have of course been all sorts of knife failings (Spyderco included).

Like Goose stated in his poorly punctuated, but still quite clear response, I disagree with you. I certainly love me some Spydie hole, but I wouldn't say that a stress crack in a single ZT due to a poorly fit stud is a valid argument for the Spydie hole being better. There have been plenty of examples of Spydies experiencing cracks and even complete breaks at the hole.

AFAIK as I understand it, there has been several examples - albeit far and few between - of studs/posts causing stress fractures. Im guessing, that you didnt bother following the link, as other failures are described there.
Example

This is the number three thing we send knives back to manufacturers for. Not just ZT but all knives that have a thumbstud through the blade. It is not super common as it usually gets caught before being sent and then secondly by the dealer. It is rare to see one make it to the customer but it does happen. I feel confident ZT will jump all over this for you. Keep us updated!

I still like all sorts of different knives - I was just never a big fan of thumb studs, though I have knives with that feature.

As for your last remark and in regards to what also discounts a post: As your counter-argument state one knife failure, though several are mentioned in my link, time is again spent regurgitating, what is clearly stated in the OP/link.

Good day, I say GOOD DAY!

Lets agree to disagree or what ever - its only the internet and I assume that all here in this forum appreciates the Spyderco Hole all other factors aside

 

[FlaMtnBkr]

Very few thumbstuds, competitively, are pressed in place instead of using machined threads in the post that pinch the blade to hold the stud in place. So a tolerance issue causing a crack is going to be relatively rare.

The bigger the hole you cut into a blade, the weaker the blade will be. So a blade with a small hole for a thumbstud is going to be stronger than a large opening hole, usually, though I'm sure examples exist where that can be argued.

I'm sure most of us enjoy the Spyder hole though that doesn't make it better than other opening methods. There are very few 'things' that don't make some sort of compromise.

I also don't think it can be expected that by dropping a link to a thread with almost a 100 replies, that everyone will take away the same things when it's full of opinions on both sides of almost everything.

 

[BladeScout]

Very few thumbstuds, competitively, are pressed in place instead of using machined threads in the post that pinch the blade to hold the stud in place. So a tolerance issue causing a crack is going to be relatively rare.

The bigger the hole you cut into a blade, the weaker the blade will be. So a blade with a small hole for a thumbstud is going to be stronger than a large opening hole, usually, though I'm sure examples exist where that can be argued.

I'm sure most of us enjoy the Spyder hole though that doesn't make it better than other opening methods. There are very few 'things' that don't make some sort of compromise.

I also don't think it can be expected that by dropping a link to a thread with almost a 100 replies, that everyone will take away the same things when it's full of opinions on both sides of almost everything.

I agree, quite rare that blades break because of thumb stud or stop post related stress - and I didnt mean to imply that knives with studs/posts fail left or right.

As you say, one cant say Spyderco is better than other opening methods. I merely like the Hole and prefer it over for example thumb studs or thumb discs, though I have knives equipped with those opening devices.

It of course horses for courses - different people prefer different opening methods and different knives. And thats a good thing IMO.

You are right - people wont take away the same thing from a multiple post thread - but it was clearly stated in the link, that several knives failed (not 'a single knife)and it was from that implication, which I posted.

You mention compromise; the big hole means often means a very distinctive design. I happen to be a big fan of accentuated leaf shape and a fan of several other Spyderco knife shapes, but I know, that there are different opinions on this. Some simply seem to hate the design necessitated by the big hole in some Spyderco knives. Tough to 'get' for Spyderco fans, but there you have it.

You mention, that a bigger hole will weaken the blade - I dont know if you imply that Spyderco knives will be weak because of the Hole or if you refer to other knives.

In any event, some not so big Spyderco fans have claimed this. How ever I dont see a lot of Spyderco knives failing because of the Hole.

Personally, Im not worried that the Hole in the blade of my Spyderco knives is tantamount to structural weakness.

(I do remember a pic of a Bushcraft knife failing right at a hole - but this was because of a hole (presumably meant to lighten the knife) placed under the scale. Maybe the hole was placed too close to the balance of the knife and/or maybe the knife was wailed on in the current climate of batoning any and all knives in sight, I dont know).


Again, not saying that you were referring to Spyderco with your remark.

 

[Sergeua]

Made a post, then jumped on the first responder with a wall of defensive response. He was pretty clear to me. You sir are a hole and a drama queen

Argument for spydie hole... And Where are you going with that? Being implemented on every folding knife from this point on? Care to finish a sentence? You sound like a youtube troll to me

 

[BladeScout]

Made a post, then jumped on the first responder with a wall of defensive response. He was pretty clear to me. You sir are a hole and a drama queen

Argument for spydie hole... And Where are you going with that? Being implemented on every folding knife from this point on? Care to finish a sentence? You sound like a youtube troll to me

Joined May 2016, 10 posts.

Nothing beats forum trolls with second accounts...or three or four accounts. You are very transparent.

 

[Goose 7279]

First thanks guys for explaining my post. Sorry it was a little hard to understand but i think i speak for everyone when i say that non of us understand why you started this thread unless you were trying to be a troll. And Man you need to tone down the sydie hole flaming fan boy crap your the one who came here saying that because someone screwed up trying to press a oversize thumbstud in a small hole and it cracking the blade somehow makes the spydiehole better than the thumbstu. the spydiehole has cracked the exact same way when the spydiehole was done to close to the edge or made too large. As far as trolling goes your the only troll i have seen in this thread you straight up started a thread with a troll title. Next you attack anyone with a different opinion. Its your thread do what you want

 

[DocT]

Guys, name calling is verboten on this site. I would appreciate it if you did not use foul language and name calling.