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I want to tell you a little graphic story.
There is a show on cable, I forget which network, it is called, "Trauma: Life & Death in the E.R."
Do you remember the old "Survival Knives" that were full page advertisements in the 1980's (The Rambo knife craze, you see...) on the backs of such magazines as SWAT & S.O.F., remember them?
The knife had a bulbous compass as an end cap, the type of compass that one sees attached to the dash of some unwitting map-victim's car via a suction cup...
The knife had "sawteeth" on the back and in silhouette, a bottle cap opener on the bottom of the blade forward of the guard.
Hollow handle, we know how they fail too.
That knife, or one very similar to it, was stuck in someone's head on the show. Nice X-Ray.
I would have never thought that possible given the materials or construction in that or other types of knives in that genre...they are simply flea market knives.
Failure, to me, is putting it in someone and using it as a lever, and the blade failing. Pure and simple...it is not prying other materials with it, putting it in a vise and slipping a piece of galvanaized pipe on the handle to see how far it will go before the inevitable happens.
All knives break. There has never been a knife made that will not break. If I were in the woods and needed to dig, I sharpen a stick with my knife to dig if I do not have a shovel, as a hatchet, I smack the spine of the blade with a piece of wood, not another piece of steel. Old Whitetail hunting stories follow.
I am not flaming, I am merely stating the truth of things as I see it. All knives will break, screwdrivers will break, if you have the right Torture Rack set up, you could make a crowbar fail.
I understand people want the toughest knife for their money...I wonder if people have been reading this thread and understanding intent...Jerry's knife moves like a snake, I don't want it to move like a boat oar. There are trade-offs...I feel comfortable.
The remarks about ATS-34 are well thought out, Black Cloud Knives has done well with it, as have others...I believe Jerry is correct, the heat treat is the key to producing very good ATS-34. I never understood why everyone attacked it, if it were not ATS-34, they would be going after some other steel. Because that is what they do.
Much like the 9X19mm/.45ACP debate in gun rags...it will never die...
[This message has been edited by Don Rearic (edited 03 November 1999).]
There is a show on cable, I forget which network, it is called, "Trauma: Life & Death in the E.R."
Do you remember the old "Survival Knives" that were full page advertisements in the 1980's (The Rambo knife craze, you see...) on the backs of such magazines as SWAT & S.O.F., remember them?
The knife had a bulbous compass as an end cap, the type of compass that one sees attached to the dash of some unwitting map-victim's car via a suction cup...
The knife had "sawteeth" on the back and in silhouette, a bottle cap opener on the bottom of the blade forward of the guard.
Hollow handle, we know how they fail too.
That knife, or one very similar to it, was stuck in someone's head on the show. Nice X-Ray.
I would have never thought that possible given the materials or construction in that or other types of knives in that genre...they are simply flea market knives.
Failure, to me, is putting it in someone and using it as a lever, and the blade failing. Pure and simple...it is not prying other materials with it, putting it in a vise and slipping a piece of galvanaized pipe on the handle to see how far it will go before the inevitable happens.
All knives break. There has never been a knife made that will not break. If I were in the woods and needed to dig, I sharpen a stick with my knife to dig if I do not have a shovel, as a hatchet, I smack the spine of the blade with a piece of wood, not another piece of steel. Old Whitetail hunting stories follow.
I am not flaming, I am merely stating the truth of things as I see it. All knives will break, screwdrivers will break, if you have the right Torture Rack set up, you could make a crowbar fail.
I understand people want the toughest knife for their money...I wonder if people have been reading this thread and understanding intent...Jerry's knife moves like a snake, I don't want it to move like a boat oar. There are trade-offs...I feel comfortable.
The remarks about ATS-34 are well thought out, Black Cloud Knives has done well with it, as have others...I believe Jerry is correct, the heat treat is the key to producing very good ATS-34. I never understood why everyone attacked it, if it were not ATS-34, they would be going after some other steel. Because that is what they do.
Much like the 9X19mm/.45ACP debate in gun rags...it will never die...
[This message has been edited by Don Rearic (edited 03 November 1999).]