Best cheaper Spyderco wannabes?

To the OP: You poor bastard. You had no idea what you were getting yourself into, asking a seemingly innocent question. My condolences, I have been watching for a while and these guys can be real harsh. But, in all fairness, spend a lot of time listening, reading and watching to gauge the current. Check its flowing in the right direction. Before you guys have a go at me just remember that we were all innocent once!
 
Actually I thought the guys were pretty nice.

Especially compared to some I'm on. There is one I read that has the motto "Where the weak are killed and eaten"

Ask a stupid question, pay the price. If he hadn't tried to defend said stupid question he wouldn't be in the hole he is in now.

You can get a Tenacious for $25 on ebay. How much cheaper do you expect to find a well made knife with decent steel and G10 scales for?
 
Blade Edge said:
I agree with those suggesting the Tenacious or Persistence. Don't let the "China" tag on the blade fool you...fit and finish is almost on par with anything out of Golden or Seki City. They have G10 handles, steel liners, decent gimping, 4 way clip, and decent steel (it's equivalent to AUS8 according to most). And it is a real deal Spyderco for around $40...what more can you ask for?
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Something tells me the "China" tag has never held this guy back from buying anything.
 
JB12 said:
To the OP: You poor bastard. You had no idea what you were getting yourself into, asking a seemingly innocent question. My condolences, I have been watching for a while and these guys can be real harsh. But, in all fairness, spend a lot of time listening, reading and watching to gauge the current. Check its flowing in the right direction. Before you guys have a go at me just remember that we were all innocent once!
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I'll have to disagree with you there, my friend.

It wasn't seemingly innocent. He asked how to rip off a good company. Now, I'm no Spyderco fanboy, that that is just plain wrong, especially on a site where Spyderco has a forum.

If he had shown any decency whatsoever, and then admitted his mistake instead of digging himself deeper, this wouldn't have happened.
 
I say buck up and support an American company, and reward their innovation! If price is an issue, get a Tenacious. Don't throw any bones to those cheap import knock-off companies that steal American ingenuity for their own profit. I know the Tenacious is made overseas, but at least it is still Spyderco. Their warranty will be far easier and better than any knock-off slimebags policy.
 
Kirk_Ferentz said:
And by the way, I don't mention a budget because I don't really have one in mind. My process is more of take a look at what is out there and then decide. I know I don't want to buy the most expensive spyderco or spyderco-esque knife out there, but I probably will go for something better than the bottom of the barrel. And here is a shocker: I might eventually buy a spyderco! I just don't know who their true competitors are, and I know that there is a lot of crap out there that are not true competitors ... hence this post.
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If you don't have a budget why are you looking to buy the cheapest POS knock off you can find?.

Understand...

We are not talking about clothes here. 99.9% of the time You are not paying for the name when buying knives.

You are paying for QUALITY....Premium steels, top shelf materials, customer service, warranty and repair. And most of all, Safe well thought out designs with properley engineered locks that will not close on your fingers during hard use.

Trust me,
you do not want to bet your life on a POS knock off in a life or death situation like trying to cut yourself out of a burning car.

I suggest you buy the spyderco rescue, put it in your glove box or better yet your pocket and forget about buying a POS knock off.

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Or you can bet your life on this?

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To me the choice is very simple. But I tent to value my life.
 

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Maybe the OP shouldn't get any knives, especially since 70% of the cost of a folder is in the locking mechanism alone.

This thread is retarded.
 
I think what the OP was argueing was that he did not want to pay simply for a brand name, in this case Spyderco. The analogy would be a generic drug vs. a name brand. I am not positive, because he is not always clear, and shifts arguments.

But, assuming I have it right, there is a big problem with his query. As far as I can tell, none of the knife makers are big enough, or have such established brand names in the larger consumer marketplace, that they can do this. Knives, especially of the quality we are talking about here, are still pretty much niche items, so the value of a name brand is not so powerful a selling tool, as say it is with mass market items, like cereals or ketchup. So a Spyderco knife, made the same way, but without the Spyderco brand name, would cost the same; there is no markup for the name. That's the failure in his logic.

I think.
 
By the way, if I'm right, it would explain why he hasn't listed a price point. He's just looking for a good, general use knife, but doesn't want to pay the markup of a brand name. The problem is that in this restricted sector of the market, there isn't that kind of a markup.
 
ASBOB said:
I think what the OP was argueing was that he did not want to pay simply for a brand name, in this case Spyderco. The analogy would be a generic drug vs. a name brand. I am not positive, because he is not always clear, and shifts arguments.

But, assuming I have it right, there is a big problem with his query. As far as I can tell, none of the knife makers are big enough, or have such established brand names in the larger consumer marketplace, that they can do this. Knives, especially of the quality we are talking about here, are still pretty much niche items, so the value of a name brand is not so powerful a selling tool, as say it is with mass market items, like cereals or ketchup. So a Spyderco knife, made the same way, but without the Spyderco brand name, would cost the same; there is no markup for the name. That's the failure in his logic.

I think.
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You summed up what I said much more eloquently then I did Spyderco while very popular with knife enthusiasts has never been heard of by most people so they either do not or cannot charge more than the knife is actually worth however in the case of say gerber and kershaw or spyderco both spyderco and kershaw puts out a much higher quality product for the money due to not having such a well known brand name.
 
SBaker34 said:
You summed up what I said, much more eloquently then I did. Spyderco, while very popular with knife enthusiasts, has never been heard of by most people, so they either do not or cannot charge more than the knife is actually worth. However, in the case of say gerber and kershaw or spyderco, both spyderco and kershaw put out a much higher quality product for the money, due to not having such a well known brand name.
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Fixed it for you.
 
I agree with the reasoning of Asbob. I started off with two $5 cheapies from a tool store in the OpryMills Mall in Nashville. Have them 3 years now. Yet when I held a Spyderco, I know the build quality is different. Kinda like trying to find knockoff Nike shoes. Yeah, maybe it can be done, but what if you are wrong and run a race in them and mess your foot up? Given that you can get a Byrd or the Persistence for $25 (I just did for my first Spydie!!!) why take the chance and save $10? I like to shop on price and value, but don't think that is gonna go too far with knives. Now, over a certain amount, say $100, diminishing returns, sure, but I do think there is a boatload of quality difference in my $5 cheapie and the $25 Persistence (and that was with shipping)
 
LawyerSam said:
Given that you can get a Byrd or the Persistence for $25 (I just did for my first Spydie!!!) why take the chance and save $10?
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Because, I think the assumption the OP was operating under was that no matter what Spydie you get, you are paying for a name.

I.E: Why buy a Persistance for $25 when he can get the equivalent of, say, an Endura for the same price without the branding?

Unfortunately, his major premise is flawed. Knife economics are not the same as clothing economics. While the same T-shirt can have Gucci stamped on it as Old Navy, this is not the case for knives.

Had the OP done a bit more research, he would have found this out for himself.

I apologize if the above has bizarre sentence structure, I didn't sleep enough.
 
What a strange topic.

IMO Spyderco is one of the fairest companies out there when it comes to pricing, and their knives, from the top of their line to the bottom, represent very good values. I don't think there's a better knife on the market for the money than the Tenacious.
 
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