Best edge retention.

the best edge retention in generally will come from H1 serrated steel. or REally old sharpened a bunch of times H1. just saying.
 
lemonslush said:
the best edge retention in generally will come from H1 serrated steel. or REally old sharpened a bunch of times H1. just saying.
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Really? H1 isn't even heat treated is it? By work hardened, they are referring to the process by which it is produced aren't they? H1 serrated is usually claimed to be above VG10, I wouldn't put it even close to the same category as super steels, or even S30V.
 
AlexT808 said:
Out of these steels which will hold the best edge? s30v D2 n680 154cm m4 20cv
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It depends on what your cutting. If your in a saltwater or marsh environment, the stainless will out perform the others. Soft materials will give the advantage to the highest carbide group, and rough gritty materials will favor the tougher group. All of those steels will do great in an EDC role. I like M390 and CPM 154 but YMMV.
 
I'm guessing M4 and then 20 CV...one being tool steel and one stainless. The others fall behind.

Just so you know...having to do with that H1 serrated...
Sal has stated, on this forum, that nothing he has produced will outcut the H1 serrated. The plain-edge H1 by itself...forget it. But the serrations become work-hardened to about 64 or so, and will hold that edge a long time.
btw, our favorite south-Florida fisherman, Surfingringo, has been singing the praises of serrated H1 in the Pacific Salt for a long time...
 
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In an absolute sense, either M4 or 20CV. In a practical sense, you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference in daily use.
 
Sonnydaze said:
Just so you know...having to do with that H1 serrated...
Sal has stated, on this forum, that nothing he has produced will outcut the H1 serrated.
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This is false.
Sal said that nothing they have "tested yet" has out cut the H1 serrated edge.
Keep in mind that this testing was done prior to th Maxamet Mule being available, and he has yet to speak on Maxamet vs Serrated H1.
 
TheEdge01 said:
Really? H1 isn't even heat treated is it? By work hardened, they are referring to the process by which it is produced aren't they? H1 serrated is usually claimed to be above VG10, I wouldn't put it even close to the same category as super steels, or even S30V.
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It is not heat treated but, work hardened means. The more you sharpen the steel the greater the edge's hardness becomes. THe serrations due to the grinding process vastly increase the blades hardness. You come away with a hard edge that tapers back to a softer steel further back. Giving it the best of both words in regards to blade edge retention and durabllity. Theres several interviews with Sal or Eric discussing the properties of h1 and how it has out cust any steel they have tested. You can also just call up spyderco and ask them- they would be happy to explain it for you if you dont belive me.

I have used h1 for years now. Its keeps an edge and cuts more stuff longer than anything I have ever used. The more you sharpen it the harder the edge the better the retention. non serrated h1 out of the box is about as good as vg10. However it will get better over time.

Hers a vid of Eric talking about it breifly.

 
NJBillK said:
This is false.
Sal said that nothing they have "tested yet" has out cut the H1 serrated edge.
Keep in mind that this testing was done prior to th Maxamet Mule being available, and he has yet to speak on Maxamet vs Serrated H1.
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This quote is from March this year. You were in the thread too! :D
Sal Glesser said:
Hi Mora,

H1 is not heat treated in the traditional way. The steel is work hardened in the manufacturing and processing of blades. Edge retention in the plain edge config would be about the steels that you listed. It does sharpen easily, and gets very sharp. In the serrated config, it will stay sharper longer than anything we've tested to date.

sal
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Edit: Well upon reading the thread a little more did the Maxamet mule come out after this thread? Sorry I'm not up to speed Bill!
 
I have found H1 (plain edge) to be ...less than stellar at edge holding. I do not care for serrations, so H1 line is not for me. Of the steels listed I like 20CV due to it's excellent balance of edge holding, corrosion resistance and edge stability.
 
AlexT808 said:
I am going to get a benchmade griptillian. Mainly cutting wood and rope. I am narrowing it down to 20cv and M4.
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Benchmade's 20CV griptilians are great. They actually sport my favorite G10. My brother and I argue over which one is better(I have the Ritter in M390, he has the one you're looking at). While I'll say the Ritter is the best(for me!), their 20CV is no slouch.

M4 would be great if you don't mind it getting spots of orange often, 20CV is more of a EDC steel in my opinion. It's edge retention is top notch too.
 
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