Best Places to Shop Online

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Hi,

I am as interested in knowing what others think (and their favorites places to shop), as well in sharing my opinion about what I think are some of the best online stores out there. Please note that I am NOT working for any one of these online stores, thus not benefiting from their profits. I just simply have done business with them in the past (which continue, with most of them, to this day).

My personal favorites are Knifecenter of the Internet (KCI) and Knife Outlet. It has been my experience [from shopping around] that using KCI as a benchmark, the prices for a given knife will fall approx. $10 above/below KCI's price (there are exceptions of course).

KCI is the quickest in processing refunds/exchanges and delivery, and if I find that the knife at KCI is slightly higher (say $10), I'd still go with them coz I know the service is good, fast and reliable.

Knife Outlet generally has lower prices than KCI, but slightly (just slightly) slower in processing refunds etc. (but still good in my book). Here's the kicker, though .. Knife Outlet doesn't have info on what is in stock for each of their knives .. KCI does. So, if I need to purchase something quick, I'd go with KCI. That's my only recommendation to Knife Outlet: that they start putting marks on which items are in stock. E-mail follow-ups are good for both .. they give overly anxious people like me (well, who doesn't when expecting new knives :) the peace of mind that the knives are on their way (i.e. tracking number etc.)

Other good online stores are Cutlery Shoppe, AG Russell, and Botach Tactical. Cutlery Shoppe sends their customers paper catalogs, which say to me that they care (I mean, they don't have to since it's an online shop .. that's additional costs that they can do without). It can, however, start broadening the brands they carry. It doesn't have the selection that KCI or Knife Outlet have. AG Russell also sends paper catalogs, and it's unique because it carries a small number of customs, too .. but again, limited selection. Botach Tactical sells/carries other stuffs (a lot!) besides knives, but the knives there in particular, though somewhat limited, have the lowest prices I've seen anywhere (not to mention Botach has sales often :) Btw I know that Sooner State Knives offer low prices and good service, but the topic here is online shops.

Another online shop that's good is Blade Art. It specializes in custom knives (best selection I've seen thus far .. and yes I've seen Robertson Custom Cutlery, Knife Art, etc.), so if you're looking for production knives better to seek elsewhere. It does carry some non-custom brands, but it's limited and somewhat expensive imo. The customs though are cool :) Done business with them in the past and I can tell you that Larry Brahms is both friendly and helpful. Flexible return/refund policy, which is surprising since most of the products there are expensive customs :)

RCC and Knife Art are also good places to shop for customs, though Knife Art screwed my very first order with them (that's a no no in doing business .. you want to make the best first impression) and I had to argue to get a refund out of them (the person I talked to can't seem to compute logic). But some of my friends are happy with it, so maybe that's just my bad luck. Knife Art does have some interesting exclusive collaborations with custom knife makers (much like Triple Aught Design), so that's a plus.

The only online shop I would NOT recommend (at least now since it's under new management) is 1 Stop Knife Shop (1SKS). Several reasons for that. First, I did business with them in the past and let me tell you that getting a refund out of them took forever. They're helpful, don't get me wrong .. it's just that the management style seemed so laid back. Maybe because they're more interested in the knives themselves than operating a business (which is not necessarily a bad thing :)

Now under the new management, it has made some good (and unfortunately, bad) changes. Good: (1) It offers some really nice, high quality images of each knife they carry. I can tell you that they went through a whole lot of trouble in taking those pics .. from the front, back, top, etc. All the other shops fell short in this department. (2) It also boasts some of the newest knives in the industry that others [still] don't have on their websites. However, whether 1SKS actually have them in stock or just putting their pictures for a sneak preview or pre-order, it's a different matter since they have no indication of what's in stock. Still, it's a plus.

Bad: (1) It has the worst policy I've ever seen (and not just in knives, but even compared to online clothing stores, bookstores, etc.) in terms of refunds, exchanges, etc. Extremely limited time for refund (7 days or less); you'd only get store credit for day 8th-14th; and day 15th-onward no refund/credit. That sucks big time in my book. (2) If that's not enough, it applies a 20% re-stocking fee for all returns, EVEN cancellations (what's the deal with this?!?).

In my opinion, even with all the advantages that they offer (nice pics and newest selections), their minuses severely outweigh the pluses. I mean, you cannot actually feel the knives no matter how good the pics and descriptions are, so the limited time is a huge disadvantage. Also, even if it sticks with its refund policy, why do they limit the policy on store credit (given of course the knife is in new and re-sellable condition .. which btw is a given requirement for ANY returns in ANY industry). The re-stocking fee, though, is the most extreme downfall as it applies to all returns regardless of its reasons. We're talking knives here, folks .. not diamonds or cars. If they want to apply a re-stocking fee to the custom, more expensive knives, that still makes sense (pushing it, but still makes sense), but to the production ones?!?

My recommendation is this: if 1SKS argues that they do what they do due to the [high] cost of doing business, then I say they should re-evaluate their management system coz it seems it's nowhere near efficient. Don't shift the costs of inefficient management/operation (if that's the case) to consumers. I think most consumers would prefer a lower quality pics and have a better (much much better) return/refund/exchange policy, than having quality pics and have to deal with re-stocking fee and very limited return time frame. With businesses trying to maintain and attract customers, and taking into account globalization where eventually everyone will compete against everyone, 1SKS should re-think its strategy in terms of giving consumers the best services possible (do words like "competitors" and "competition" ring a bell?!?).

All in all, I'm just trying to shed some light and [maybe] help other knife buyers pick the best online shops out there. Bang for the buck is the message here, folks .. that means services as well as prices. Take care and stay safe.
 
Hmm. Interesting post. Not sure what to make of it. Troublemaker? Competitor?

Regardless, I think you have a lot of balls coming in here as a FNG and badmouthing <i>anyone</i> much less 1SKS.

To boot, you've posted this same inflammatory post in more than one place. If it looks like a troll, and walks like a troll...
 
shivey,

what is the website for SMKW? Thanks.



Danelle,

I don't think I'm bad mouthing anyone. Merely sharing my experiences with those stores. I even admit that perhaps was just my bad luck with Knife Art since my friends have good experiences with it. As far as 1SKS goes, you can check their policies .. I'm not making things up. And certainly not bad mouthing 1SKS .. just giving some suggestions and trying to understand why they use such policies. Furthermore, if I really simply want to bad mouth anyone, why would I go over both their pluses and minuses? Hey, if 1SKS prosper then it's good for the overall consumers since we'll have more options. All I'm saying that it's hard for me to see how that's going to happen since other stores seem to offer better prices and services (i.e. policies).

And I don't really see where you going with the whole "competitor" thing. Are you saying that I work for 1SKS's competitors? Well, like I said .. NO .. I do not work for any of those online knife stores. But since you seem very concerned with 1SKS .. are you :)
 
Hmmm.... <i> Why </i>would i be concerened about what someone says about 1SKS? Hmm...What reason could there be...

Could it possibly be that the same person also runs these forums and is likely <i> the</i> most respected person around these parts? Hellooo?

I think it's in extremely poor taste to ramble on and on negatively about people <b>we </b>respect and do business with on a regular basis, when you yourself have no credibility here. You've not established yourself as anything but a mouthy, childish troll. And you have no profile. Hmm. I smell a cat box that needs cleaning.

We know what people's policies and procedures are. We deal with these knife companies daily. If you question the integrity of someone's return/customer service policy, maybe you should write to them privately and ask them for an explanation. Personally, I may choose a company or individual who's reputation is not as stellar as another person or company...for my own personal reasons.

We don't need your advice on where to shop. We've been doing this a while.

Add to that the fact you've posted this thread elsewhere here, and you start smelling really really bad.

Here kitty, kitty. We gots a treat for ya.
 
It is interesting that you would give Botach such a stellar review. Out of all the companies you mentioned in your opinion piece, Botach has the WORST online reputation. Go to any forum and type it in as a search word. You will be amazed at the sheer number of "stay away from Botach" threads that come up.
 
Harry,

Yup .. that's true about Botach (though I wouldn't say I gave it a stellar review :) .. then again, I'm sharing my experiences with them. Maybe it's bad luck for the other people, like me with Knife Art.


danelle,

I don't know what your problem is, but like I said, this is subjective since it's my own experiences with these stores. I agree that you, and everone else for that matter, have his/her preferences in choosing a store. I mentioned that KCI (again, imo) have good after sales service which is why I don't mind spending the extra buck. Your preferences may be different and that's fine. Again, I don't see how I'm rambling negatively about this or that .. I acknowledges both the positives and negatives. And I never said anything about giving advice on where to shop .. I said, I'm [merely] sharing with everyone my experiences and places to shop, and hoping others would share with me their favorite shops (like shivey did). Btw I didn't realize that the fact you've been shopping a lot for a long time is the requirement for being considered credible :) Why not use the amount of money one spends for knives instead of the length of time they've been shopping around .. just a thought :)
 
kittiene:

You do understand that 1sks.com and Bladeforums.com are affiliated, right?

It's not to say that we're all fanboys or required to love 1sks, but most people here appreciate the fact that 1sks is in existence, whether we shop there or not.

This may explain any animosity you've come across -- and any other animosity that is likely hurtling towards you like a meteor. I'm not saying it's fair or unfair, but some people could take your experiences as peeing in their pool.

Zero
 
Originally posted by kittienne
Harry,
danelle,

I don't know what your problem is,

</b>just you, that's all.<b>

but like I said, this is subjective since it's my own experiences with these stores. I agree that you, and everone else for that matter, have his/her preferences in choosing a store. I mentioned that KCI (again, imo) have good after sales service which is why I don't mind spending the extra buck. Your preferences may be different and that's fine. Again, I don't see how I'm rambling negatively about this or that ..

</b> you aren't reading what you write, apparently<b>

I acknowledges both the positives and negatives. And I never said anything about giving advice on where to shop .. I said, I'm [merely] sharing with everyone my experiences and places to shop, and hoping others would share with me their favorite shops (like shivey did). Btw I didn't realize that the fact you've been shopping a lot for a long time is the requirement for being considered credible :)

</b> Extensive shopping experience doesn't give me credibility as to my opinions on where to shop? Huh? What planet are you from? Is your name TTO by any chance?<b>

Why not use the amount of money one spends for knives instead of the length of time they've been shopping around .. just a thought :)


Whatever, this makes no sense whatsoever. Moron interpretor please.

Ok, then.
 
atomic zero,

I, too, appreciate the existence of 1SKS on the Internet. I love the high quality pics (wish other stores would do the same) and the efforts they put into it. Whenever there's competition, consumers benefit from it .. isn't this what the American economic system is all about .. free competition :)

I'm only saying why do they have such policies when they already have such advantages going for them? Wouldn't they like to optimally capitalize and build on the advantages that they already have? From the high quality pics, to the newest selection, and one of the lowest prices out there, why do they use such policies? Just a normal, more relaxed policy will do imo. Or maybe they can work a policy based on the value of the order. If anything, my post should be viewed on how to get 1SKS to be the best online knife store out there (God knows I love bladeforums and I know 1SKS is affiliated with it), not as an attacking thread.

In any case, if the moderator sees fit that my post should be taken off, then I'm fine with that, too :) I'm simply posting my opinion and suggestion on things. If that offended anyone (especially danelle) then I apologize, but I won't say nice stuffs just for the sake of it and to make others feel good about themselves .. especially when my experiences say otherwise. thanks atomic for replying a fair post :)
 
The two main reasons that I paid for a membership were to continue to sell on the forum and the second was to support the forums.

I am not interested in a forum that is a running advertisement for a particular company and prefer that Bladeforums have autonomy from 1SKS which it basically has.

FWIW, I have never bought anything from 1SKS and have nothing to add on that side of the subject.

Back to Topic:

I have had my best experiences buying online from Bayou Lafourche. Great service, immediate shipping, Roger and Kristi know what their selling and will give you realistic lead times on items not in stock -No B.S.
 
Architect,

What's the website for Bayou Lafourche? And thanks for getting back to the focus of the topic :)

p.s. danelle appears hostile .. pms maybe (kiddin :) *lol*
 
Clark Kent,

I'm not working for any online stores .. knife, clothing, books, etc. I operate my own business .. small scale manufacturing.
 
Opinions are opinions, and you are certainly entitled to yours. But, usually, newbies try to come in here and make a good, positive impression before they start trashing the very people who run these forums. :rolleyes:
 
Consider the fact that you are in Spark's house now, and he has graciously allowed us FREE membership here.

Me thinks it is in very poor taste to air your dirty laundry with 1SKS on his forum. If you don't like his service, that is fine. If you do not like Spark - fine. You have a right to spend your money where you like, and choose the companies that you want to deal with.

I think Spark may want to make an exception and charge YOU for membership here.

I wouldn't let someone walk into my house and slam me - at least not for free.
 
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