Best way to store assisted openers?

EChoil said:
Just a reminder....the knives these guys are talking about are over 40 years old. Run your numbers again..... :)
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I thought we were agreeing to disagree? As far as i can tell you know what you think you know and no amount of people who have used, owned, or even make these things are going to tell you any different. But when you say you want this to stop yet you keep going it makes me wonder if you are still trying to convince us or yourself.
 
PURPLEDC said:
I thought we were agreeing to disagree? As far as i can tell you know what you think you know and no amount of people who have used, owned, or even make these things are going to tell you any different. But when you say you want this to stop yet you keep going it makes me wonder if you are still trying to convince us or yourself.
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40....years. :triumphant:
 
EChoil said:
Good for you.
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At least its a data point based on experience. You were the one who wanted to agree to disagree. Which is exactly what im going to do before you waste 40.....years. lesson learned, echoil doesnt learn lessons.
 
EChoil said:
You come across nearly as sprung as your rizzuto. Relax, you'll last longer. :)
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Ill be damned, my spring is still good after all these years.

stabman said:
So who's rubber and who's glue?
I need that info to keep up in this thread. ;)
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Im rubber. Hes not old enough to know what that is yet. Glue? paste? that i believe he might have a handle on.
 
yepimonfire said:
Theoretically and scientifically, work hardening by plastic deformation is what causes them to wear out. every time it changes its shape, the metal reorients its structure to a more crystalline structure, which is harder and more brittle. Try bending a paperclip back and forth several times, it gets harder and harder to bend and eventually breaks. Springs do the same thing, although they can do this for far more cycles than paperclips.
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Normal action of a spring does not take it past its elastic limit and therefore does not induce work hardening. There isn't any magic difference in "spring steel" that makes it go for far more cycles, it is just a higher strength steel. A paperclip will work fine as a spring, for a long time, as long as you don't take it past its elastic limit.


melansjf said:
The answer is yes, it will weaken the spring if left under compression, indisputable, no matter what anyone says
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When you get home tonight you need to jack up your car and put it on stands so the suspension won't be under load. And you probably should take the valve retainers off so the valve springs won't be under load. And if your car is modern enough to have fuel injectors, well I guess you're already in trouble.

Find the oldest automobile you can find in a museum- likely its springs still hold the car up off of the ground just fine and they have been under constant load for over 100 years.
 
I always store mine closed, simply because I consolidate pretty much the whole collection and they take up less space (and I don't want the open blades touching other things in the box anyway.) In fact I've been meaning to perhaps put rubber bands on the assisted ones, in case they might open if I have to move the box or load it somewhere but... this is probably overkill. I find closed works best for me but to each their own.
 
bdmicarta said:
........When you get home tonight you need to jack up your car and put it on stands so the suspension won't be under load. And you probably should take the valve retainers off so the valve springs won't be under load. And if your car is modern enough to have fuel injectors, well I guess you're already in trouble.

Find the oldest automobile you can find in a museum- likely its springs still hold the car up off of the ground just fine and they have been under constant load for over 100 years.
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You're a click away from comparing 15-year durable goods to a pocket knife spring. Shall we reference refrigerators and washing machines too?

Can this become anymore facile?

To say that a small ninety-five-cent spring under full stress for decades is as resilient as, reliable as, and has ZERO differentiation from.....ALL 3....the same spring which was stored in stasis is absurd.

This is a hoot!
 
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EChoil said:
You're practically comparing 15-year durable goods to a pocket knife spring. Shall we reference refrigerators and washing machines too?

Can this become anymore facile?

To say that a small ninety-five-cent spring under full stress for decades is as resilient as, reliable as, and has ZERO differentiation from.....ALL 3....the same spring which was stored in stasis is absurd.

This is a hoot!
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Its also a hoot that people with more experience and knowledge on the subject are automatically wrong because of what you think you know from things you havent done or experienced. Ignorance really must be bliss.
 
PURPLEDC said:
Its also a hoot that people with more experience and knowledge on the subject are automatically wrong because of what you think you know from things you havent done or experienced. Ignorance really must be bliss.
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You have no knowledge of me nor my experience in anything. However, via your attempts at flowery prose and obvious passive agressivity with the insults, I may have come to have a bit of knowledge about YOU. Let's just say you seem a little too close to Broadway for me, so I'll go easy here with your sensitivities in mind. If you think this is anything close to a unanimous thread you need to re-read it as well as the link thread you yourself posted a ways back.

So, back to your implication, are you a degreed metalurgist or an astronaut?
 
EChoil said:
If you KNEW they were going to be stored for 10 years??
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Colt 1911 semi-auto magazines...fully loaded for thirty yrs, work just fine with no hint of weakened springs.
Not to worry. You won't live long enuf to have to change the springs.
 
EChoil said:
You have no knowledge of me nor my experience in anything. However, via your attempts at flowery prose and obvious passive agressivity with the insults, I may have come to have a bit of knowledge about YOU. Let's just say you seem a little too close to Broadway for me, so I'll go easy here with your sensitivities in mind. If you think this is anything close to a unanimous thread you need to re-read it as well as the link thread you yourself posted a ways back.

So, back to your implication, are you a degreed metalurgist or an astronaut?
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Please, we both threw insults and you continue to do so, so dont pretend you are innocent in that department. You wanted to agree to disagree yet you continued. You wanted testimony from a metallurgist which I thought I was doing you a solid by getting testimony from a knife maker with years and years of experience not only in the subject of springs but in the exact application in which they are being implemented and discussed and that wasnt good enough for you. And now your logic is because people arent unanimously being opposed that you are right. So let me ask why would a degree in metallurgy or being an astronaut be any more convincing than the information presented so far? My guess is it wouldnt and you know it but you would rather move the goal post to win a game than possibly admit you may not have the best answer in this situation.

I dont need to know anything more about you than what I do know. And that is you dont store your knives closed and havent been doing it for long periods of time. That by default means you dont have first hand knowledge of the possible effects. And you surely dont know more than Bill. Literally every single piece of evidence and testimony contradicting your opinion you have scoffed at and poked fun. There simply isnt a source for information you wont create another hoop to jump through. I mean if the guy who makes, designs and repairs switchblades for the last 20 plus years doesnt know more than you then why would it matter what degree I may or may not have in an unrelated subject? Even if I did get a metallurgist and and astronaut to come to your house riding a damn unicorn you would ask for a pagan witch and a grey alien ushered piggyback on Steven Hawkings wheelchair. We kinda know the universe is ever expanding. As is your demands for proof.
 
Sonnydaze said:
Colt 1911 semi-auto magazines...fully loaded for thirty yrs, work just fine with no hint of weakened springs.
Not to worry. You won't live long enuf to have to change the springs.
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Do you believe that spring is the same as it was before it was compressed with zero difference?
 
PURPLEDC said:
Please, we both threw insults and you continue to do so, so dont pretend you are innocent in that department. You wanted to agree to disagree yet you continued. You wanted testimony from a metallurgist which I thought I was doing you a solid by getting testimony from a knife maker with years and years of experience not only in the subject of springs but in the exact application in which they are being implemented and discussed and that wasnt good enough for you. And now your logic is because people arent unanimously being opposed that you are right. So let me ask why would a degree in metallurgy or being an astronaut be any more convincing than the information presented so far? My guess is it wouldnt and you know it but you would rather move the goal post to win a game than possibly admit you may not have the best answer in this situation. I dont need to know anything more about you than what I do know. And that is you dont store your knives closed and havent been doing it for long periods of time. That by default means you dont have first hand knowledge of the possible effects. And you surely dont know more than Bill. Literally every single piece of evidence and testimony contradicting your opinion you have scoffed at and poked fun. There simply isnt a source for information you wont create another hoop to jump through. I mean if the guy who makes, designs and repairs switchblades for the last 20 plus years doesnt know more than you then why would it matter what degree I may or may not have in an unrelated subject? Even if I did get a metallurgist and and astronaut to come to your house riding a damn unicorn you would ask for a pagan witch and a grey alien ushered piggyback on Steven Hawkings wheelchair. We kinda know the universe is ever expanding. As is your demands for proof.
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Tell ya what, Broadway...if you'll restructure that and put a little air in it I'll read it. I've had to skip so many of your enlightening diatribes because I just couldn't wade through the wall. Meant to mention that to you a lot of times back when I thought you knew your stuff.

Paragraphs, man! Gimme some air.....
 
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