Beware! Ebay member godfather4109 selling fakes.

DanR217

DanR217

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Do not buy anything from this guy. He sells fake Spyderco, Fox and Extrema Ratio knives. He's very selective, he only sells very passable fakes. He uses stock photos (sometimes of the fakes he's selling) and disables zoom so you can't see detail. The fakes without decent packaging he lists as "new other" so he has an excuse for not giving you a box. As always, if it's way too good of a price, it's probably a fake. Here's a picture he uses for Extrema Ratio RAOs that's a fake:



The sharpener is the wrong color, the Extrema Ratio logo is absent from the sharpener, the removable stop pin is too long and the stop pin's lanyard is paracord, not the thinner elastic ER uses. He had three of these up for sale earlier today for $99 each, about $200 less than what they usually go for.
 
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Thanks for pointing this out.
I haven't bought a knife from ebay in a very long time, it's just getting too hard to spot the fakes, and there are way too many of them.....
Also rather support actual knife dealers, the bidding fun that ebay used to be is long gone, almost everything now is 'buy it now'
 
I don't think you can disable zoom on eBay. It's often is hard to get it to work, but there's no option to disable it and why would eBay even have that set up as an option?
 
jill jackson said:
I don't think you can disable zoom on eBay. It's often is hard to get it to work, but there's no option to disable it and why would eBay even have that set up as an option?
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He probably just downsizes his pics so they're too small to zoom in on.

I'm getting pretty fed up with all these fakes. I came very closer to buying a Spyderco Civilian this summer, but eventually chickened out because I wasn't sure which ones are real and which ones aren't :mad:
 
Daddyo16 said:
Is it even legal to sell fakes on Ebay?
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It is my understanding that it's a grey area. I mean, technically it's against Ebay rules to misrepresent fakes as the real thing, and if you buy from someone who's done so, Ebay is going to be on your side 1,000%. However, there are sellers who sell fakes, who use wording that makes it pretty clear that it's a copy, and those guys never get shut down. So, I am presuming that honesty trumps honor. Also, at the end of the day, there are literally thousands of people who sell knives on Ebay. There's no way they're going to be able to police who sells fakes and who doesn't.
 
Daddyo16 said:
Is it even legal to sell fakes on Ebay?
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It's legal to sell fakes (EDIT: I realize "fakes" is a very general term and the definition varies from person to person, meaning some people consider certain things fakes that others may not... please refer to my post below to see what I mean by "fakes") if you convey that in your listing. If he sold you a fake and you thought you were buying a genuine product, that's completely against eBay policy and it's very easy to get your money back.

Follow these steps:

1. Don't leave feedback until you receive your item and make sure it is what you were buying.
2. If any problems arise, contact the seller immediately and attempt to work it out.
3. If that fails and you feel as though you've been wronged, open up an eBay case against the seller. Every purchase made through eBay comes with buyer protection which ultimately will allow you to return the item for a full refund (even if he doesn't allow refunds, and only if the item was not as described).
4. Leave honest feedback regarding the experience after it is all said and done... it will definitely help prospective buyers decide if they want to trust their money with that seller.

I've been selling on eBay for quite a while now, so I've gotten a hang for the processes :-)
 
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BBKoenigsegg said:
It's legal to sell fakes if you convey that in your listing. If he sold you a fake and you thought you were buying a genuine product, that's completely against eBay policy and it's very easy to get your money back.

Follow these steps:

1. Don't leave feedback until you receive your item and make sure it is what you were buying.
2. If any problems arise, contact the seller immediately and attempt to work it out.
3. If that fails and you feel as though you've been wronged, open up an eBay case against the seller. Every purchase made through eBay comes with buyer protection which ultimately will allow you to return the item for a full refund (even if he doesn't allow refunds, and only if the item was not as described).
4. Leave honest feedback regarding the experience after it is all said and done... it will definitely help prospective buyers decide if they want to trust their money with that seller.

I've been selling on eBay for quite a while now, so I've gotten a hang for the processes :-)
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Nope. Not True at all.

From ebay's Policy:

"Policy overview

Items that bear a company's official brand name or logo can be listed as long as the products were lawfully made by, for, or with the consent of that company.

We don't allow replicas, counterfeit items, or unauthorized copies to be listed on eBay. Unauthorized copies may include things that are bootlegged, illegally duplicated, or pirated. These kinds of things may infringe on someone's copyright or trademark."
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For anyone interested in ebay's policies please check with ebay's policies. Kind of like with the rules to anything, this forum for example, please read the actual rules from the horses mouth rather than hearsay on the interwebs.
 
Daddyo16 said:
Is it even legal to sell fakes on Ebay?
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Legal? I don't know. I mean if you opened up a store here in the US only selling knock off knives I am sure you would have several large and small manufacturers that would take legal action against you.

It is against the rules to sell fakes on ebay. That said it is very common and ebay doesn't seem like they do much about it.
 
Yeah, I was going with the honesty of the seller. When I say fakes, I'm referring to clones, like the Praetorian Clones or the famous knife sharpener that lost their patent that is now all over eBay (forget the name). I was vague in what I was referring to. For the things I just cited, it's completely legal, and it's mostly what you'll find all over eBay. It's a super gray area because it's almost a replica but they don't claim it to be so it doesn't fall under the rules that craytab cited.

But thanks for the clarification, craytab. I still stand behind what I said.
 
BBKoenigsegg said:
But thanks for the clarification, craytab. I still stand behind what I said.
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You can stand behind what you said but by editing it you have now changed what you said. My quote shows what you originally said.

BBKoenigsegg said:
Yeah, I was going with the honesty of the seller. When I say fakes, I'm referring to clones, like the Praetorian Clones or the famous knife sharpener that lost their patent that is now all over eBay (forget the name). I was vague in what I was referring to. For the things I just cited, it's completely legal, and it's mostly what you'll find all over eBay. It's a super gray area because it's almost a replica but they don't claim it to be so it doesn't fall under the rules that craytab cited.
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This thread is about the RAO counterfeit in the Original Post. I understand what you are talking about, a clone that doesn't claim to be the real product or something that has lost a patent but that is not what we are talking about. Even after you edited your post to clarify your definition of what a fake is, you are still wrong. Like I said above, folks should read ebay's actual rules which say:

"Items that bear a company's official brand name or logo can be listed as long as the products were lawfully made by, for, or with the consent of that company.

We don't allow replicas, counterfeit items, or unauthorized copies to be listed on eBay. Unauthorized copies may include things that are bootlegged, illegally duplicated, or pirated. These kinds of things may infringe on someone's copyright or trademark."

In no uncertain terms, this means one cannot sell a fake, counterfeit, replica, or other such item that can infringe on copy rights. It does not matter if you disclose if it is a counterfeit in your listing. It doesn't matter if you are the 5th owner of a counterfeit and you fully disclose. It is still a counterfeit and thus against ebay policy. Folks, read the rules!
 
I agree that the knife in the original post is not legal to sell on eBay, but you are blanketing certain items that are in a gray area that eBay does not specifically address (which is what I clarified earlier). I did not change anything I said, for a reason. I added to it for clarification, all in the parentheses. You have addressed the OPs concerns correctly. But you are wrong in blanketing like you are, because there are many items that aren't covered by their rules that you insistently quote.
 
BBKoenigsegg said:
I agree that the knife in the original post is not legal to sell on eBay, but you are blanketing certain items that are in a gray area that eBay does not specifically address (which is what I clarified earlier). I did not change anything I said, for a reason. I added to it for clarification, all in the parentheses. You have addressed the OPs concerns correctly. But you are wrong in blanketing like you are, because there are many items that aren't covered by their rules that you insistently quote.
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Well, what are we talking about here? How is ebay's policy not clear? Did you read it? I quoted it several times. You are bringing in items that are not relevant to the Original Post. You changed or "clarified" what you were talking about but we aren't talking about the things you want to. And you are still wrong. You cannot sell fake items on ebay, even if you disclose them as fakes, which is what you said. That is plain wrong and people reading on the internet here should know that. Again folks, don't believe me or this other guy, go read the rules your self.

How am I blanketing? Anything in ebay's policy that they say is against the rules is against the rules. How is that difficult to understand?

If you want to start another thread about how vague ebay's policy is and about "clones" or "replicas" or whatever, feel free. This conversation is about that RAO and counterfeits on ebay in general. You said it is okay to sell them as long as you disclose, which it is not. End of story.
 
Report counterfeit items to eBay, and to the original manufacturer. Send links and explain why you feel it is a fake. These companies have lawyers that can really make an impact on these scammers. It would appear that eBay responds and actually works when the original manufacturer contacts them.
 
If I bought a fake item on eBAY, I;d contact PayPal. If it is a fake they will return your money and keep the item.
 
The zoom not working on fleabay MAY be due to something that "changed" recently, such as a new "no zoom" option or be caused by a software upgrade bug being introduced. Not trying to say this in defense of any fleabay seller. He may be inducing the failure in some manner or not.

Around the beginning of October, a significant number of sharp, pointy object auctions (the only ones I really follow - could be happening in other categories as well) have been posted that don't have the zoom feature "working". Whether that is deliberately happening or if it is a software update glitch within fleabay, I don't know. Prior to 3 weeks ago, the issue was with about 1 in 50 of the auctions I would look at. Since 01 October, the ratio has jumped to as many as 1 in 10 some days, but then may be 1 in 15 or 1 in 20 on other days.
 
zzyzzogeton said:
The zoom not working on fleabay MAY be due to something that "changed" recently, such as a new "no zoom" option or be caused by a software upgrade bug being introduced. Not trying to say this in defense of any fleabay seller. He may be inducing the failure in some manner or not.

Around the beginning of October, a significant number of sharp, pointy object auctions (the only ones I really follow - could be happening in other categories as well) have been posted that don't have the zoom feature "working". Whether that is deliberately happening or if it is a software update glitch within fleabay, I don't know. Prior to 3 weeks ago, the issue was with about 1 in 50 of the auctions I would look at. Since 01 October, the ratio has jumped to as many as 1 in 10 some days, but then may be 1 in 15 or 1 in 20 on other days.
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Like was said earlier, the Zoom function is related to the size of the picture uploaded. Picture not big enough? No zoom. Now, has ebay changed that size threshold? Only ebay knows.
 
This guy is buying this crap from aliexpress and making the buyers wait for shipment!! he has this in his listing:
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Please note there is an extended handling time due to my being out of town for work pretty often, it may or may not take that long, but its listed as that long so I can stop getting angry messages from buyers that didn't read the handling time and canceling orders. Please make sure you understand, and are ok with possibly having to wait for me to get home to ship the item before bidding."

There is no mention that it is a fake PM 2 and unfortunately someone has bid on this fake already, too bad there is no way to alert the buyer. He is getting 75 percent of retail too! What a dirtbag
 
Just Wow! I hope everyone who has posted here with an Ebay account has reported all his knives as fake. I did and I posted this in the Spyderco subform fakes section. What a scumbag!
 
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