Beware Jeff Stover at Collector's Gallery Alpine Village, Ca.

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:mad: Gentlemen,

I'm just getting back on the computer after buying & remodeling a house we purchased back in January. I wanted to warn the people on this site to be very careful when dealing with a "reputable" knife dealer named Jeff Stover of Collector's Gallery in Alpine Village, Calif.

I have about 300 or so knives that I wanted to sell to help pay for a new kitchen and other house stuff, I was speaking to Ralph Freer who's a great guy and he recommended Jeff. He told me that Jeff Stover was a standup guy and someone who did alot of shows around the country, so I called Jeff, then met him at his store in Alpine Village, Ca.

I took 60 or so knives with me for him to evaluate to see what would be a fair price for both of us to make money and he told me that he tacks on 20%. No problem and everyone needs to make a living. We came to an agreement on prices, he promised that if something sold, he would send me off a check immediately. I was impressed enough with him so I left 50+ custom & rarer production knives with him to sell in his store and at shows. After a couple of months I called him and was called right back, but nothing had sold. Ok.....it was a slow time of the year and it's not his fault that people weren't buying. Another couple of months goes by and I call him again. This time he took a week to get back to me because he was on the road, ok, again, no problem. Jeff tells me that a customer put a $100 deposit on a one of a kind Ralph Freer bowie that I had given to Jeff and Jeff tells me that he'll pay it off in a month or so.

Well months go by because I'm busy and I don't want to be a pain in the a$$ when he's trying to run a business. I'm calling Jeff, he's either never in his store, he's not answering his phone or he's avoiding my calls, so now I'm getting a little apprehensive about this deal. I go into his store to have a face to face and he tell's me that this guy still hasn't paid off the Freer knife and that none of the other knives have sold. Well I know for a fact that the prices we put on these knives were cheap and we were no where near retail for discontinued production or custom stuff.

In any event, I tell Jeff to give me back my knives which he does about a month later, but the Freer custom isn't there and neither is another knife that I was going to net $225 from. Now I had trusted Jeff with $10-12 thousand dollars of knives and for months he couldn't be bothered to return any of my calls. A couple of months later after I called him 6-8 times, he finally sent me a $700 check for the custom Freer that he sold for double, not 20% over what we agreed to. Then I kept asking him about the other knife that he didn't return to me with my others and for 2 months he never returned my calls. Finally I was so pissed off at him that I called the number on his check which was his mother's house. Apparently he's living with his mother and when I explained the situation to her, I finally got my check for $225.

Long story short, be VERY WARY when dealing with this guy because I think he was trying to rip me off and keep my knives without paying me. He likes to play the big man and Mr. Knowitall when dealing with knives but I don't think he's trustworthy and had I not spoken to his mother, I would have never gotten my money or my knives back. The worst part is that he returned some NIB Rooster horn handle folding knives with broken handles, so it's just more proof that Jeff doesn't know what he's doing.

Ray
 
dude thats a horror story, all i can say is lucky you got back the knives you did and not loose a substantial amount more...i hope no one deals with him again, sounds like a knife store who also sell by consigning them here who done a little scam to a smith friend.

guess you can be happy you got back what you did :).
Robert.B
 
Hello to all forum members,
I am Jeff Stover, I want to set the record straight concerning my dealings with Ray. About May of 2002, Ray did come to my shop with about 50 knives, 10 -15 lower end customs, the rest were run of the mill production knives. I eplained to him that he had paid to much for most of the production knives and that I really do NOT handle them. I make my living selling fine custom and antique knives.I agreed to put them in my shop,I explained that my fee is 20% of what the knife sells for,however in Rays case, I told him I would NET HIM what he needed to get for them. so some of the items I marked up 10% some 20%, he said he needed the money bad,so I tried to help him liquidate them.As most of you know, 20% is lower than most dealers in this business charge.
After a few months of nothing moving, I finally had a customer put a Freer bowie on lay a way. I let Ray know that it had been sold,but it was on lay a way, and as soon as it was paid off, he would be paid, which he was.The funny thing is that I sold it for $975.00, I paid him $700.00, thats not double.
Where Ray's story becomes fantasy, is that when he called and said he wanted his knives back, three days later he was in my shop picking them up,we went over the list knife by knife, he examined EACH knife. If there was a knife with "broken handles" he would have noticed it,I would have handed him the money for it.
I have been selling quality guns and knives for over 20 years, with many happy and repeat customers.I have no problem discussing a disagreement among men, the only reason I responed to this,is because Ray is telling half truths. some of his post is a fairy tale.
I know I have probably met and done business with many of the forum members,as I set up at most major knife and gun shows across the country. Please stop by and say hello if you should see me at a show. JEFF STOVER
 
I would sure love to hear more facts concerning this. The name Jeff Stover is a very familiar name and someone known to deal in very fine stuff and always on the up and up. It is very unsettling to hear someone of this caliber be accused of doing something shady.

Is there more?
 
First off, I have to admire Jeff's ability to spin a story like Bill Clinton and this just proves that he's a scumbag that can't be trusted.

Hey Jeff, how about you tell everyone on this site how you didn't return 8-10 of my phone calls over a 6 month period, or how you didn't return or pay me for the Dan Beaver custom knife when I picked up all of my other knives? Hey.....why don't you tell them the TRUTH about you sending me a check for the Beaver for $225 MONTHS later and then only after I spoke at length with your mom explaining how you couldn't be bothered to respond to any of my calls or emails. I guess I'm lucky that you still live with your mom and that she's the one who forced you to do the right thing by paying me for my knife, otherwise I'd still be chasing you for my money.

Ok.....Here's another lie by Jeff, he never told me he was going to display my knives in his store, he told me he does 35 knife shows a year and that he was taking my knives to shows. I know he deals in nicer custom knives in his uncle's store and I had no problem with him not taking up display space in his store. Jeff & I went through the knives and came up with a net price I would get, we didn't go into details about percentages or what he was really making on them, I just wanted him to be fair, but I was expecting too much from him. We both knew that I didn't have anything special, except for the Freer custom bowie one of a kind. I've found out that Jeff sold the Freer for much more than $975, but that's another story. As far as the knives being broken, yes they were. These rooster knives were brand new in the box, Jeff mishandled them and chipped the handles on the back edge where he poorly packed them together. I didn't mention the broken knives to him after I saw them when I got home because I wanted to be paid for the D. Beaver custom, I knew he'd never admit to breaking it and I was just happy to get my other knives back.

Wolfman, I'm not in the habit of playing games with people's business or livelyhood. I was not DESPERATE and lives didn't hang in the balance if I sold these knives or not. I needed the money for a new house and a new kitchen, period. I'm not doing anything with the knives, they're not important to me from a collection aspect and they were the 1st of many things I'm selling off. Since Ralph Freer told me that Jeff was a standup guy, I trusted him and took my knives to Jeff. Did I lose any sleep over this deal, NO, did I get an ulcer from it, NO, did I have to hire a shrink to get over this ordeal, NO, but it infuriates me when I trust someone with my stuff and he treats me like I'm a piece of $hit.

Obviously since I've bought the house, I've purchased all new Kitchenaid stainless appliances, I've remodeled the bathrooms, put a new rollup garage door on, built a large storage shed and bought a new jaccuzi and I still have the knives, I wasn't all that desperate as Jeff claims to sell them. The funniest thing is that I had customers for 3 guns that are in Jeff's uncles store but after the way Jeff didn't return calls, refused to contact me over many months, I would never turn people onto or do business with him again.

I don't care if anyone believes me or not, go ahead and trust this lowlife with your stuff. All I tried to do was to warn members of this board about Jeff Stover and the way he treated me. If you want to give him your stuff, knock yourself out, just don't bitch about losing, having something broken or not being paid for something that you give to him.

Ray:mad:
 
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