Beware of Rplanalp (Jeffrey Planalp) - WILL NEVER DO BUSINESS

[sirupatespecial]

LizaMari - you seemed extremely harsh about it. It seems you support the seller's bitterness... Allow me to provide an analogy; For example buying an motorcycle. I reached out to Riley (Dealer 1) for a price and put a down payment ready to buy the next day (No paper works has been signed = No goods was delivered). The next day, a better deal comes up, does the buyer have no rights to back out? Absolutely NOT! I've all the freaking rights to shop a better deal! Better yet, I can still do business if the original seller if he/she can beat the better pricing.

The point of my situation is that in a business transactions, both parties must professional and courteous. Not a big deal if we can't make the final agreement. Just walk away and never do business again. Riley here really cross the line by intending not to refund my deposit. Better yet, what if he closes all of his bank accounts and Paypal? I took the necessary measures to prevent any loss from happening

Really? You are the definition of the old saying "buyers are liars". YOU said "I'll take it". Then YOU decided to back out. Bad feedback was totally justified. How about this? In the future. Knives, motorcycles, cars, trucks, furniture, pussy, whatever. Don't make an offer unless you are ready to follow through. It ain't rocket surgery.

 

[skyhorse]

You shouldn't have sent him any money untill the deal was final. This reminds me of the street markets in Juarez Mexico. That said the seller needs to refund you.

 

[Charlie Mike]

I wouldn't send money until both parties were in agreement with the terms/amounts. I've never been in this situation so I'm at a loss for advice.

 

[SidTheMuss]

the op is either completely insane or just trolling us. how is this thread even still open. rplanalp did everything correct even though he was getting the shaft. funny people

 

[Nomo4me]

Bravo!!

After reading a couple of thee most bizarre, crazy, illogical trade stories here in the GBU...& seeing that one of these member's (who was actually BANNED from this site- sneaks back on with a reinvented username & ships empty boxes with notes inside), & now he has the audacity to come on here preaching about ethics...are you freaking kidding me???

And thanks to you warped minded individuals (the OP, & unfriendlyneighbor), from this point forward: I will be taking every precaution imaginable, before I will ever think about trading anything of value on this forum, again!

I can't believe that you people actually have the nerve to come on here & post such complete stupidity; your twisted logic makes you look like complete fools.

FWIW: I've never had a problem with any of the many wonderful trades that I've made, with so many of the awesome/honest member's here on BF. You two (OP/unfriendlyneighbor) don't fall into this category.

 

[SVTFreak]

Not all deposits on motorcycles are refundable. Often, if you back out (bike, car etc), you lose your deposit. Not always but not uncommon.

Renegotiating a deal after money is sent isn't so cool. I would be perturbed too. While I feel that a negative is warranted (with details of reason of course) I also think that refunding the money is a very easy thing to do through PayPal and shouldn't take long. Of so, an explanation and request for patience along with a time of when it will happen would be satisfactory as long as it happens like said.

 

[Nomo4me]

Not all deposits on motorcycles are refundable. Often, if you back out (bike, car etc), you lose your deposit. Not always but not uncommon.

Renegotiating a deal after money is sent isn't so cool. I would be perturbed too. While I feel that a negative is warranted (with details of reason of course) I also think that refunding the money is a very easy thing to do through PayPal and shouldn't take long. Of so, an explanation and request for patience along with a time of when it will happen would be satisfactory as long as it happens like said.

As a matter of fact, within the last year I put $1k down on a bike in another state, booked a flight to pick it up, shuttle service to the dealer etc.

Then I found a better deal, good enough to abandon the $1k if needed. Dealer refunded $500. I accepted the realities of conducting business like a big boy and parted with them as a friend who'd do business with them again.
If OP's payment of the cash didn't signify acceptance of the negotiated deal why did he offer it? Would he also be here expressing outrage if the seller had later that day refunded his money because someone else had made him a better offer? You bet he would.

 

[asdf12345]

Personally I have had nothing but good experiences and communication with Mr. Planalp, and I would do business with him again.

I can understand the frustration of waiting for a refund, but to insist on it within 24 hours seems harsh, especially if you were the one who initiated calling off the deal.

 

[GuestWho101]

Neither party here should be posting feedback via the Itrader system. There was no completed transaction.

My thoughts exactly. Thank you for clearing that up, Karda. By the way, miss you around these parts .

But to reiterate..... I feel the negative, and retaliatory "iTrader" Feedback wasn't warranted (this is also explained, per BFC Rules), but a thread started here in the G/B/U would have more than fit the bill.

 

[Gizmoman]

**unfriendlyneighbor**
This guy needs to be kept out of BF
Completely
Hoping all is resolved soon

 

[cigarrodog]

Neither party here should be posting feedback via the Itrader system. There was no completed transaction.

This is crystal clear.

"4. Retaliatory negative feedback ratings can earn you an infraction. Getting pissed off because a deal didn't go though is no reason to try and ruin someones rep. You are expected to conduct yourself in a mature and responsible manner, failure to do so will result in warnings or infractions as necessary.
5. If a deal did not happen, there is no iTrader Feedback to leave. Sorry if you were inconvenienced, but life is full of disappointments. As long as you are not out any items or money, move along. Consider improving the terms of your sales threads / read the sellers terms carefully in order to avoid this before buying."

The OP has a perfect right, according to the rules here, to have a change of heart, and expect a refund. If the seller can't refund immediately, then don't just let the buyer know that you can't until later, but precisely when and the reasons for the late refund. A broken-down deal needs the same good will as was extended during the negotiation, even if both parties never deal with each other again. It's about personal integrity, and speaks well of you. GBU... A great place to learn.

 

[kjd2121]

hero5211314 is on my ignore list. Next time do your research beforehand!!

 

[craytab]

the op is either completely insane or just trolling us. how is this thread even still open. rplanalp did everything correct even though he was getting the shaft. funny people

Um, besides returning the money.....

**unfriendlyneighbor**
This guy needs to be kept out of BF
Completely
Hoping all is resolved soon

Ha! You are right Keith! No way should he be allowed to comment on anything in the GB&U.

And as for the current topic? Two more for the ignore list....

It really pays to do your research folks! This thread being a key piece of evidence.

 

[UrFrndlyNebrhoodS]

As a matter of fact, within the last year I put $1k down on a bike in another state, booked a flight to pick it up, shuttle service to the dealer etc.

Then I found a better deal, good enough to abandon the $1k if needed. Dealer refunded $500. I accepted the realities of conducting business like a big boy and parted with them as a friend who'd do business with them again.
If OP's payment of the cash didn't signify acceptance of the negotiated deal why did he offer it? Would he also be here expressing outrage if the seller had later that day refunded his money because someone else had made him a better offer? You bet he would.

^This^

This is crystal clear.

"4. Retaliatory negative feedback ratings can earn you an infraction. Getting pissed off because a deal didn't go though is no reason to try and ruin someones rep. You are expected to conduct yourself in a mature and responsible manner, failure to do so will result in warnings or infractions as necessary.
5. If a deal did not happen, there is no iTrader Feedback to leave. Sorry if you were inconvenienced, but life is full of disappointments. As long as you are not out any items or money, move along. Consider improving the terms of your sales threads / read the sellers terms carefully in order to avoid this before buying."

The OP has a perfect right, according to the rules here, to have a change of heart, and expect a refund. If the seller can't refund immediately, then don't just let the buyer know that you can't until later, but precisely when and the reasons for the late refund. A broken-down deal needs the same good will as was extended during the negotiation, even if both parties never deal with each other again. It's about personal integrity, and speaks well of you. GBU... A great place to learn.

Um, besides returning the money.....



Ha! You are right Keith! No way should he be allowed to comment on anything in the GB&U.

And as for the current topic? Two more for the ignore list....

It really pays to do your research folks! This thread being a key piece of evidence.

All personal thoughts and opinions aside, when you start talking about not allowing this person to post here or there you are talking about infringing on free speech. At some point there comes a time when one has to ask, what type of mood and government of bodies do we wish to have here...... democratic, communistic, socialistic, etc?

 

[Lone_Wolfe]

All personal thoughts and opinions aside, when you start talking about not allowing this person to post here or there you are talking about infringing on free speech. At some point there comes a time when one has to ask, what type of mood and government of bodies do we wish to have here...... democratic, communistic, socialistic, etc?

There is no free speech here. We're in Spark's house, we talk and play by his rules. If we can't talk and play by his rules, he can show us the door

 

[Ludwig]

Hero - you are going to regret starting this thread. I understand the urgency of wanting the refund, but not everyone here lives on their computer or phone. I also used to work at a place that blocked access to places like message boards, personal email, etc. You should have at least given him until later that night before complaining, especially when you gave yourself about three days to research before your counter-offer.

Everyone can have a different opinion, but you guys agreed to a deal, and it was YOU, Hero, who backed out of it. If you have not already, you should be apologizing to Rplanalp.

That said, Rplanalp should not be leaving any feedback for a deal that did not happen. Period.

And this:

All personal thoughts and opinions aside, when you start talking about not allowing this person to post here or there you are talking about infringing on free speech. At some point there comes a time when one has to ask, what type of mood and government of bodies do we wish to have here...... democratic, communistic, socialistic, etc?

That is some funny stuff. Don't you think you have a big enough fan club already

 

[wjswiger]

Too true, but until that happens everyone who is still a member has the right to post.....if the mods or Spark choose to ban him so be it. It seems we have members who cherish their freedom to speak freely and throw their perspective into the mix on most every post but deny that right to others......

There is no free speech here. We're in Spark's house, we talk and play by his rules. If we can't talk and play by his rules, he can show us the door

 

[perig]

There is no free speech here. We're in Spark's house, we talk and play by his rules. If we can't talk and play by his rules, he can show us the door

Exactly.

A quick civics lesson. The freedom of speech clause in the 1st Amendment applies only to the US Congress enacting laws that would restrict free speech. Here's how it reads:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

[craytab]

^This^

All personal thoughts and opinions aside, when you start talking about not allowing this person to post here or there you are talking about infringing on free speech. At some point there comes a time when one has to ask, what type of mood and government of bodies do we wish to have here...... democratic, communistic, socialistic, etc?

You ignorance at life continues to baffle. It is clear you have no clue what freedom of speech is. Maybe go review the constitution a bit and then you can try to speak intelligently with the grownups. I stand by what I said. Your opinion on anything, and I mean anything, means nothing. The latest bit of evidence is in the above quote of epic ignorance.

 

[perig]

Too true, but until that happens everyone who is still a member has the right to post.....if the mods or Spark choose to ban him so be it. It seems we have members who cherish their freedom to speak freely and throw their perspective into the mix on most every post but deny that right to others......

That's not true either. Sparks has given you permission to enter his website and make comments under his rules, which he can change, ignore, amend and play favorites as he pleases. That permission does not entail a 'right' implied or otherwise.