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BG-42 steel in Buck Knives
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BG42. Superior steel. Not so easy to work with. Hard on equipment.
Higher production cost means reduced profits.
If Buck offered BG42 the sales of S30V would drop to almost zero.
Crucible would go ballistic.
BG42.....we hardly knew ya. Hail and farewell.
And i'm so grateful Flatlander sent me one with stunning burl handle!
Plumber,
That's a FINE 110 you got there!
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Supply issue should be over by now and seeing as how other companies are making knives with BG-42.......Buck could look into making some knives with BG-42.
Sounds like there's interest in buying such knives.
Yes, from the 42 people on this forum who care about such things. Most of Buck's customers probably wouldn't care, even premium steel buyers, as long as it was better than 420HC. I would like to see a BCCI special run of BG 42, but I don't think we are enough to tip the scales.
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The reason I'm guessing there's a viable demand out there is that other companies are making and selling knives with blades of BG-42 and making money.....so what's Buck's EXCUSE for not offering it?
If Buck is indeed such a great company, why can't they accomplish what others do?
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As you said, several custom knifemakers and a few production companies are still using BG-42. For example:
http://www.mantisknives.com/Product Zoom/T5 Monacoe/t5_monacoe.html
If these guys can make knives out of BG-42 (with an MSRP of $50.00, I might add), why can't Buck?
http://www.mantisknives.com/Product Zoom/T5 Monacoe/t5_monacoe.html
If these guys can make knives out of BG-42 (with an MSRP of $50.00, I might add), why can't Buck?
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I must be missing something. If BG-42 is in such demand why is it not offered by more, mainline manufacturers? Sure, it's out there (Case offers one model with it) but I'm not seeing anything from Spyderco, Kershaw, Buck, Benchmade, CRK, etc. Looks to me like there are a lot of folks besides Buck that aren't using it any more either. It's not like Buck is the lone holdout when it comes to not using BG-42.
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I don't really think its any better than s30v,i can't tell the 2 apart for edge retention or toughness,never had either chip,and i've done some abuse to the s30 v,matter of fact the only problem with my s30v 110 was lending it to my bud for less than 5 minutes,he said he had to cut something,what he meant was pry something,he snapped er off the classic pry/snap....he is also paying for the new blade.lol.I'll put a buck 110 up against any super steel out there,i'm not saying its better,but i'll bet after a convex edge is on the blade,it will hold its own against other "premium" steel
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This thread really got me thinking today as I was putting a beat up 112 blade back into shape(literally)...I gently hammered the fishhook bent out of the tip and while putting an edge back onto it I thought, ya know...this 420hc is real easy to put an edge back on...and they keep a working edge for a decent amount of time...plus if the need arises I can get a working edge back on it with a pocket stone in less time than it takes to have a smoke.
Then I thought about my S30V Vantage which has been used hard and keeps on cutting and I thought to myself...that is one hell of a knife...
Maybe I should just be thankfull for what Buck DOES DO....Produce Excellent tools for a vastly diverse set of customers, at reasonable prices...
Then I emailed John to lock in on an Heritage Series 500 in S30V.....
just another .02cent
Then I thought about my S30V Vantage which has been used hard and keeps on cutting and I thought to myself...that is one hell of a knife...
Maybe I should just be thankfull for what Buck DOES DO....Produce Excellent tools for a vastly diverse set of customers, at reasonable prices...
Then I emailed John to lock in on an Heritage Series 500 in S30V.....
just another .02cent
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Hey Flats,
I had ordered a 110 in fiji orangewood, ns, fg, and BG. Had it in the kit to try out the 42 on some of my deer doins, just as the talk about it being discontinued started. So it got brought back home un-used.
To the touch, it and a 532 CC in bg are the sharpest I have ever put a finger to. Would like to see it again, but would probably be very expensive, if it was to ever happen.
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"EXCUSE" ? Wow, really?
Anyway, the reason we switched may not be remembered but we now offer other premium steels in our line. If our market research showed that more customers prefered bg to s30v for instance, I am positive that we would check it out again to see if it made sense to make a change. If that same market research showed the need to add BG to the list of premium steels we offer, I am sure we would do it. At this time, it does not make sense for whatever reason.
Do you actaully have sales numbers and profit margins on these product offerings from other companies? I would love to see it!
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Thanks Joe. Would this be the knife you're talking about? One of the two in the pictures was sold as a build out FB in 2009. It appears that I must have a couple of the last 110's with BG-42 blades to come from Buck.
Dave,
Yes, those are the ones. Nice pictures! I forgot about the 110 build out.
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Thats the ones offered to members at the 20yr. Reunion. Thanks, Joe. DM
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Hi back at you Ratty!!!
I tend to agree with some of the statements above that its hard to tell the difference between BG-42 and S30V's performance, ease of sharpening etc...At least from my personal experiance.
I do like those stamps on the blade. Buck did this with ATS-34 as well.
I'm down to one BG-42 user, the G10 LE that Plum showed above. Great knife.
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Its funny to watch bg-42 bash buck all the time about their choices,i'm sure they do whats best for the company in the long haul,you can't make everyone happy no matter what,i've learned that one,from what i see Buck Knives is doing a fine job ,they offer what they offer,if ypu want bg-42 right now,get a sebenza,only $400 plus dollars,heck,get a couple,.lol
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It's amusing in a way that any outsider would presume to tell a company with over 100 years experience what they should do. You can see Joe's irritatation showing in his posts and he's a really laid back sort of guy.
Outside of the relatively small number of knife nuts and forum members, I'd be surprised if one in a thousand of the average knife buyers and users even knows what BG-42 steel is or cares. As long as they get a good serviceable knive at a reasonable price they are happy. If there were enough potential buyers to make it worth the cost and effort, I'm sure Buck wouldn't need any urging to produce it.
Outside of the relatively small number of knife nuts and forum members, I'd be surprised if one in a thousand of the average knife buyers and users even knows what BG-42 steel is or cares. As long as they get a good serviceable knive at a reasonable price they are happy. If there were enough potential buyers to make it worth the cost and effort, I'm sure Buck wouldn't need any urging to produce it.
