BHQ Excl. Lum Tanto?

[ScooterG]

Mine is a little off center. I think that's the nature of HAP 40. It's a thick blade in a narrow channel and HAP 40 is a very difficult steel to keep from warping. It's not as noticeable in smaller thinner blades. This is not an easy knife to make (at any cost). The natural G-10 is exceptional, also a difficult material to work with. Chamfers and reliefs are very good. Polished screws, stand offs and clip are beautiful. Polished skeletonized liners, perfectly matched to the scales with much weight removed. Grind lines are crisp. A beautiful job on a difficult grind on a very difficult san mai steel. Solid lock up on an arc ramp with perfect positioning. And bitching about the price? Why don't you ask your favorite custom maker what they would charge to make this knife out of a Hap 40 laminate? Then we can compare quality?

A drop of oil and some break in time also does wonders for quality construction.

I can see that if you are not satisfied with the knife, you might want to send it back, but I would not expect you to send it back after you mucked with it. And send your muck job to another poor customer?

I'm certainly keeping mine. If nothing else, for collector value. It's a beautiful example of the late Bob Lum's designing skill and the Seki makers's manufacturing skill. I guess if you look for positive, you see it, and if you look for negative, likewise.

sal

Hi Sal. I've spent almost $5k with your company in the past year. I know, "oh here we go"... But your post really put me off. I've been very impressed with you and your company until this particular post. The knife I have, while not up to my expectations of Spyderco, did not diminish my view of the company. You've run your company very well for many, many years it would seem, but the accusatory tone and lack of taking responsibility is just dumbfounding.

 

[jpm2]

I hope this doesn't put a damper on hap40 being used in the future, it would be a terrible loss.

 

[Casinostocks]

I didn't take Sal's post as an attempt to shame or to dare the discontent ones among the folks in here but in retrospect, that post could've been composed a bit more articulately. That said, if one apologizes too much, to some it sounds like admitting to guilt and if feeling were expressed in a different kinda tone, some would accuse of Sal sounding like a whiner. Nevertheless as stated before, I appreciate the fact that Sal comes in here, reads the comments, illuminates the issues from the maker's / manufacturer's perspective and still prepared to take his knocks. I'm a relative newcomer to Spyderco but the man seems and sounds like a solid operator to me.

 

[miltmaldo]

For a minute i thought I was in a Benchmade forum lol .

 

[Rusty_shackelford]

I hope this doesn't put a damper on hap40 being used in the future, it would be a terrible loss.

Hap40 is maybe my favorite steel to date. My hap40 Delica is my go to. With the boomer lil para scales it's probably my " if you could only have one" knife.
Seems like it just isn't the right steel for every knife.
I appreciate how spyderco pushes the limits and listens to its customers wants. They swing for the fences and hit a lot of home runs. Everyone pulls one foul from time to time though. Thats maybe what happened here. Maybe not.
Jury is still out for me, but there is certainly some concerns from some die hard spyderco fans.

 

[Sal Glesser]

Hi Scooter,

Didn't mean to put you off. You have my apologies. Seems like I put off a few on the other forum as well. I will try to be more patient and understanding in the future. While my tone may have been more aggressive, I do think that I always take responsibility for what I do.

sal

 

[P2P]

Hi Scooter,

Didn't mean to put you off. You have my apologies. Seems like I put off a few on the other forum as well. I will try to be more patient and understanding in the future. While my tone may have been more aggressive, I do think that I always take responsibility for what I do.

sal

Sal is the man in my book. I have so much respect for the Spyderco philosophy overall that I have a hard time considering any other folder brand. By the way, if anyone is totally underwhelmed with the hap 40 lum, feel free to ship it to me. I’ll carry exclusively and write a healthy review.

Cheers,
Sal

By the way, I literally only have 2 folders to my name at the moment. Both Spyderco, a Para 2 M4(jade)and Military M4(jade). It doesn’t get much better for me.

 

[woodysone]

ok, just got back from vacation and picked up my Lum, like a few others mine is off centered and hard to open. I was up at 6 to get my order in. I did this because Spyderco has a high collector value for me. Sal after this and the tread on taking apart your product, what should I do? Place a small amount of lube oh the pivot possibly staining the scales? Monkey with the screws to make the centering better? I have not touched it yet so I can return to BHq without any guilt but why would I being it is/will be a highly collectible Spyderco? I have collected many models, Sages, Pm2's, Mules, I have all of them because you have made them collectible. I will continue to collect your product because you have stood behind the designs, materials, heat treat. You have my respect for these discussions. Thank you for running this company with this much honor.

 

[Sal Glesser]

Thanx P2P,

BTW, Decartes was one of my main heroes when I was in school. He really taught me depth of thought. I am but a product of my teachers.

sal

 

[P2P]

Thanx P2P,

BTW, Decartes was one of my main heroes when I was in school. He really taught me depth of thought. I am but a product of my teachers.

sal

Descartes really started it all for me. As far as the current guys go, I’ve really enjoyed Jordan Peterson. He isn’t a philosopher per se, but just hits a lot of life concepts on the nose. Wife bought me a book of his recently as well, can’t wait to read it.

 

[ScooterG]

Hi Scooter,

Didn't mean to put you off. You have my apologies. Seems like I put off a few on the other forum as well. I will try to be more patient and understanding in the future. While my tone may have been more aggressive, I do think that I always take responsibility for what I do.

sal

Hi Sal.

Thanks for the reply.

-Scott

 

[AwayFromMySpydieHole]

I own over 200 spyderco knives. I generally buy multiples of models I like, as evident by the 6 (yes, six) jade g10 M4 military’s I have. (Think I like that knife? Haha)


The number of spyderco knives I have ever owned has to be above 500. I’ve been buying at least a couple spyderco knives every single month for nearly 9 years now. I love the company, I love the knives. I’ve spoken with Sal a few times at blade show, and I’ve always enjoyed his posts on the forums.

With that said, I’m a little taken aback by sals post in this thread. Sal, we who bought these knives paid for them without question. They sold out in minutes. To then in retrospect express issues with the price may be frustrating for you, but your overall tone in that post is off putting - especially juxtaposed against your years of genteel posts. People weren’t “bitching” in my opinion, but regardless it shouldn’t matter. We still bought the knives and that should matter to you. Without us (yes, even the ones bitching) spyderco wouldn’t exist as it is now. It’s not a good feeling to spend money and then be scolded like children for having an opinion about it.

Just my .02 cents.

 

[Knibes]

The few D'Allara 3 and the the Chinook 4 I bought recently had astounding quality (flat, parallel, flush parts).

 

[Babalu32]

My Lum Hap40 has protruding g10 all the way around the whole handle. I assume it is supposed to be like that? Kinda like the opposite of the Gayle Bradley.

 

[Iamthejellyfish]

I can understand Sal’s frustration. I would’ve reacted the same way. This whole thread started as 13 pages of “bitching” about the price, but the price was not outrageous at all, pm2s are almost the same price and come out more often. Threads like this are why Busse Combat has a sticky post about contacting the shop before complaining online and why other manufacturers have gone completely to USN. It’s a slap in the face to Sal considering it’s an homage to Bob Lum and Spyderco heritage. I’m surprised people are surprised at his reaction after the endless criticism for things that overall aren’t uncommon for a $220 knife, these aren’t $500 all titanium framelocks.

 

[jbmonkey]

spydercos always been very good with criticism in the past......part of what makes them a great manufacturer. those other manufacturers who ran to usn and hid in their safe place......well not so much.

now on to whats great about this knife.....

 

[Iamthejellyfish]

spydercos always been very good with criticism in the past......part of what makes them a great manufacturer. those other manufacturers who ran to usn and hid in their safe place......well not so much.

now on to whats great about this knife.....

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I know what your saying (thumbs up), that’s while I still buy spyderco and I can’t resell the other guys for less than half what I paid for it.

 

[jalcon]

Yeah I have no dog in this fight as I didn't buy one of these but I find it incredibly commendable that Sal comes in here and publicly takes a beating sometimes....and then when he defends his company just a bit...people are offended? He could so easily police this forum like many others, or scurry off this forum like a bunch did, due to any negativety. I find it impressive Sal and co. listen to it all and respond. This alone is why I will ways support Spyderco.

 

[Molle Ninja]

I can understand Sal’s frustration. I would’ve reacted the same way. This whole thread started as 13 pages of “bitching” about the price, but the price was not outrageous at all, pm2s are almost the same price and come out more often. Threads like this are why Busse Combat has a sticky post about contacting the shop before complaining online and why other manufacturers have gone completely to USN. It’s a slap in the face to Sal considering it’s an homage to Bob Lum and Spyderco heritage. I’m surprised people are surprised at his reaction after the endless criticism for things that overall aren’t uncommon for a $220 knife, these aren’t $500 all titanium framelocks.

No, they are $220 liner locks. And all the PM2s that I’ve bought have been a lot better quality-wise than my 2 Lum Tantos, even when the PM2s could be had for $110 new about 4 years ago.

Spyderco can hit home runs (Chaparral FRN), but it’s ok for customers and fans to admit that they fouled out once. It’s also okay for Spyderco/Sal to admit it and not get defensive. Instead, it’s “how dare you question the QC of these knives,” which is funny when many of these knives had screws falling out at delivery, warped blades notwithstanding.

 

[PStone]

Hi PStone,

Thanx much for getting back to me and explaining your position, which I respect. And thanx for the support. I guess what I am saying is that this is probably the best that can be done with this steel and this model. I'm sure there was fallout and I'm sure BHQ wil eat a few. I realize this is an expensive knife, and believe me, I wish we could make more on it, but we always try to create fair pricing. This model is made in Seki with scales from the US and steel that is specially made for the project by Hitachi. It was challenging just to get this to the market. The alternative was not getting it to the market. Hope this doesn't sour you to the brand. We always extend our best effort to make out products as good as possible and to please our customers. Also, I don't think there will be any safety risks in using this knife.

Casinostocks,

Thanx for the input.

Hey Dogrunner,

If there is a problem, we will always try to fix it.

sal

Thank you. I’m actually not sour to the brand after this. If anything, the more I think about it, I’m more inclined to buy spyderco again. I have all watched you spend your entire day off reading and responding to almost each and every post here, and on your own forum. If that doesn’t say you care about your customers, then I don’t know what does. I’m going to keep my jade lum. It’s going to remind me of the time you took the time from your SATURDAY to respond to my concern. Something no other knife company has ever done for me. Thank you.