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Yes, absolutely ask. I'd really appreciate it. I'd like to get no glass versions for my BK2 and especially my EsKabar. Thanks Moose.
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BK2 replacement sheath question (NO GLASS)
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Yes, absolutely ask. I'd really appreciate it. I'd like to get no glass versions for my BK2 and especially my EsKabar. Thanks Moose.
Moose, thanks for the info. Its good to know that KaBar takes care of everyone.
I'll see if I can't get some photos of the two next to each other sometime soon. I mentioned that I am not going to unwrap the old one (just be too time consuming), but I'll do the best that I can do.
And also, I'll try to sharpen up my BK2 and draw it from each of the sheaths the same number of times and then see if there is a difference in sharpness.
I'll see if I can't get some photos of the two next to each other sometime soon. I mentioned that I am not going to unwrap the old one (just be too time consuming), but I'll do the best that I can do.
And also, I'll try to sharpen up my BK2 and draw it from each of the sheaths the same number of times and then see if there is a difference in sharpness.
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Onc, here is a thread that has virtuovice's videos. they are in post #1 and #24. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...ecker-sheath-dulling-demo-by-Virtuovice/page2
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only issue i have with the video is he stropped the knives after the kydex sheath but not after the 1st plastic sheath.
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only issue i have with the video is he stropped the knives after the kydex sheath but not after the 1st plastic sheath.
Yea but if you keep watching he takes a fresh shaving ready Becker puts it in the sheath, then takes it out, a couple of times and it's dull again. This is pretty amazing actually.
If Ka Bar does release a fix will we be able to get them on the cheap or free? High price to ask, I know. Please avoid flaming.
Ok guys, this is what I have right now.
To test the new sheath vs my old sheath I sharpened up the BK2 before testing, and then inserted the knife into each sheath and removed it ten times. I started with the new sheath (since it shouldn't dull the knife, I could move onto the old sheath without resharpening). After the ten trips in and out of the sheath, the blade sharpness seemed unchanged. Moving onto the old sheath, I repeated the process. This time the knife sharpness was definitely changed. Just like before, the tip of the blade was still sharp, with the half of the blades edge being dulled. The dullest part of the knife was the middle of the blade.
I watched the videos linked in the thread above, and have decided that my first sheath was not as bad as the one in the video. However, it still did seem to have a similar effect on my blades edge. While my test was far from completely scientific, it was all that I had time for at the moment. I can say for sure that the new glassless sheath is much easier on the edge than the GFN version that came before.
Here are my photos of the new one and the old GFN sheath. The old GFN sheath is the one in the para cord wrap.
And another one, with my no longer new looking BK2.
Let me know if you need anything else, but I really think there isn't any visual difference between the two.
To test the new sheath vs my old sheath I sharpened up the BK2 before testing, and then inserted the knife into each sheath and removed it ten times. I started with the new sheath (since it shouldn't dull the knife, I could move onto the old sheath without resharpening). After the ten trips in and out of the sheath, the blade sharpness seemed unchanged. Moving onto the old sheath, I repeated the process. This time the knife sharpness was definitely changed. Just like before, the tip of the blade was still sharp, with the half of the blades edge being dulled. The dullest part of the knife was the middle of the blade.
I watched the videos linked in the thread above, and have decided that my first sheath was not as bad as the one in the video. However, it still did seem to have a similar effect on my blades edge. While my test was far from completely scientific, it was all that I had time for at the moment. I can say for sure that the new glassless sheath is much easier on the edge than the GFN version that came before.
Here are my photos of the new one and the old GFN sheath. The old GFN sheath is the one in the para cord wrap.
And another one, with my no longer new looking BK2.
Let me know if you need anything else, but I really think there isn't any visual difference between the two.
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Nice! Thanks man. This thread has convinced me to get some kydex for my bk2.
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maybe i'm tired, but i don't get the logic:
'''The reason that I am asking this is because I know that normally the sheath for the BK2 is glass filled plastic of some sort (right?). I read somewhere that people were thinking that the reason that the sheaths were dulling the blade, was because of the glass fibers in the plastic. If the normal sheaths have them, and the people that report problems with them do not, then this appears to have been a very true theory.
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if the normal sheaths have them (glass filled plastic)
AND
the people that report problems with them (glass filled plastic) do not
...
then this appears to have been a very true theory...
uhm, what?
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on another note, on a case by case basis, i'm sure KaBar will take care of y'all, if you have problems
it's a bit early for talking about mass recalls across all models though
the Toooj is with us, i'm sure he'll chime in during business hours next week.
'''The reason that I am asking this is because I know that normally the sheath for the BK2 is glass filled plastic of some sort (right?). I read somewhere that people were thinking that the reason that the sheaths were dulling the blade, was because of the glass fibers in the plastic. If the normal sheaths have them, and the people that report problems with them do not, then this appears to have been a very true theory.
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if the normal sheaths have them (glass filled plastic)
AND
the people that report problems with them (glass filled plastic) do not
...
then this appears to have been a very true theory...
uhm, what?
#
on another note, on a case by case basis, i'm sure KaBar will take care of y'all, if you have problems
it's a bit early for talking about mass recalls across all models though
the Toooj is with us, i'm sure he'll chime in during business hours next week.
Sorry about that bladite, I didn't make myself as clear as I would have liked to. It was late at night when I
What I meant to convey was more simply stated in the paragraph below that one, although once again, not as well as it should have been. My apologies.
In other words, I meant that if the people that contacted KaBar about replacement sheaths were given new sheaths and that "the people that report problems with them do not " (meaning, they no longer have the problem), That this must have been because the new sheaths were ones without glass, and that the one that I received was one of those above. then I rather poorly inferred that it was this was because the replacement sheaths were these ones without the strengthening glass fibers.
I hope this makes more sense this time around
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And yes, I was quite happy with the customer support that I received, even though it took a bit longer than I was told (11 business days, instead of the 5-7).
Thanks again
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What I meant to convey was more simply stated in the paragraph below that one, although once again, not as well as it should have been. My apologies.
In other words, I meant that if the people that contacted KaBar about replacement sheaths were given new sheaths and that "the people that report problems with them do not " (meaning, they no longer have the problem), That this must have been because the new sheaths were ones without glass, and that the one that I received was one of those above. then I rather poorly inferred that it was this was because the replacement sheaths were these ones without the strengthening glass fibers.
I hope this makes more sense this time around
. And yes, I was quite happy with the customer support that I received, even though it took a bit longer than I was told (11 business days, instead of the 5-7).
Thanks again
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ah. so...
well, we know the glass is strong stuff, and it causing the dulling. remove the glass, and voila. i think that's pretty straight-forward as things go
11 business days with UPS ground sound not unreasonable given the storms and issues they've been having. almost all of that is on UPS, barring a day or two delay in shipping/pickup...
good stuff
well, we know the glass is strong stuff, and it causing the dulling. remove the glass, and voila. i think that's pretty straight-forward as things go
11 business days with UPS ground sound not unreasonable given the storms and issues they've been having. almost all of that is on UPS, barring a day or two delay in shipping/pickup...
good stuff
In a word...Yes.
I asked Tooj how I could go about getting a glass free sheath for the USMC. The one I have dulls the knife something fierce. I was told by Tooj in so many words that if I don't like the sheath that Kabar ships, buy a custom one.
So with that, I firmly believe that Kabar is fine with selling a bad product and telling their customers to "tough it out" or "deal with it" in a very eloquent manner.
Here was my post:
And here was Tooj's response
ursamajor,
The USMC F/U knife comes with a glass free sheath...it's called leather.
Seriously, if you aren't happy with the sheath options available through KA-BAR, there are many custom sheath makers on Blade Forums and elsewhere that will be more than happy to make you one.
Hope this helps.
Best Regards,
Paul TSujimoto
Sr Eng
Prod Dev and Qual
KA-BAR Knives
What also really sucks, because I have a BK14 that is a great knife-but the sheath reduces it to nothing more than a steel paperweight.
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also, the sheath that came with your knife is what i like to call a "free sheath"... your cost was pretty much zero for that. don't like it? buy a new one.
KaBar in theory, WILL NOT, sell a knife without a sheath. so, there you go. unless you have a warranty issue, no new sheath.
a kydex sheath might set you back $30. leather? more. how more? up to $350 more from some makers.
enjoy your free sheath
okay. right... you don't like it. i'm sorry. sell it on ebay. that's right, people do that!
buy or make a custom.
"nobody likes the factory sheath"... did you buy the KNIFE, or the sheath? i often feel like i bought "the system". there was a golden era for factory knives with awesome sheaths. (eagle era imho). NOBODY sells a sheath that good. close, but, not close enough. the "tweeners" have excellent factory sheaths rivaling SpecOps imho, and CLOSE to Eagle, but ... not QUITE there. consider them free. however, you could sell one for $20 and not feel bad. many very expensive knives these days? customs? no sheath. no box. no nothing. yikes! what do these people do? buy $500 sheaths! and when they flip, they expect YOU to pay for it
go figure.
KaBar in theory, WILL NOT, sell a knife without a sheath. so, there you go. unless you have a warranty issue, no new sheath.
a kydex sheath might set you back $30. leather? more. how more? up to $350 more from some makers.
enjoy your free sheath
okay. right... you don't like it. i'm sorry. sell it on ebay. that's right, people do that!
buy or make a custom.
"nobody likes the factory sheath"... did you buy the KNIFE, or the sheath? i often feel like i bought "the system". there was a golden era for factory knives with awesome sheaths. (eagle era imho). NOBODY sells a sheath that good. close, but, not close enough. the "tweeners" have excellent factory sheaths rivaling SpecOps imho, and CLOSE to Eagle, but ... not QUITE there. consider them free. however, you could sell one for $20 and not feel bad. many very expensive knives these days? customs? no sheath. no box. no nothing. yikes! what do these people do? buy $500 sheaths! and when they flip, they expect YOU to pay for it
go figure.also, the sheath that came with your knife is what i like to call a "free sheath"... your cost was pretty much zero for that. don't like it? buy a new one.
KaBar in theory, WILL NOT, sell a knife without a sheath. so, there you go. unless you have a warranty issue, no new sheath.
a kydex sheath might set you back $30. leather? more. how more? up to $350 more from some makers.
enjoy your free sheath
okay. right... you don't like it. i'm sorry. sell it on ebay. that's right, people do that!
buy or make a custom.
"nobody likes the factory sheath"... did you buy the KNIFE, or the sheath? i often feel like i bought "the system". there was a golden era for factory knives with awesome sheaths. (eagle era imho). NOBODY sells a sheath that good. close, but, not close enough. the "tweeners" have excellent factory sheaths rivaling SpecOps imho, and CLOSE to Eagle, but ... not QUITE there. consider them free. however, you could sell one for $20 and not feel bad. many very expensive knives these days? customs? no sheath. no box. no nothing. yikes! what do these people do? buy $500 sheaths! and when they flip, they expect YOU to pay for it
I dont believe that the knife sheath is free. I see the price for F/U knives with leather sheaths cheaper than F/U sheaths with glass filled nylon. I have no doubt in my mind that the price of the sheath is factored into the price of the knife.
Afterall, I am sure that I could not just call kabar and ask for a free sheath, and say I will just cover the postage.
also, the sheath that came with your knife is what i like to call a "free sheath"... your cost was pretty much zero for that. don't like it? buy a new one.
KaBar in theory, WILL NOT, sell a knife without a sheath. so, there you go. unless you have a warranty issue, no new sheath.
a kydex sheath might set you back $30. leather? more. how more? up to $350 more from some makers.
enjoy your free sheath
okay. right... you don't like it. i'm sorry. sell it on ebay. that's right, people do that!
buy or make a custom.
"nobody likes the factory sheath"... did you buy the KNIFE, or the sheath? i often feel like i bought "the system". there was a golden era for factory knives with awesome sheaths. (eagle era imho). NOBODY sells a sheath that good. close, but, not close enough. the "tweeners" have excellent factory sheaths rivaling SpecOps imho, and CLOSE to Eagle, but ... not QUITE there. consider them free. however, you could sell one for $20 and not feel bad. many very expensive knives these days? customs? no sheath. no box. no nothing. yikes! what do these people do? buy $500 sheaths! and when they flip, they expect YOU to pay for it
To me a sheath is something to hold your knife, and protect the blade and the owner from the blade. However, imo, while a knife is dull it is nothing more than a piece of steel, so all I want is a sheath to hold my knife-not a sheath that turns my knife into a piece of steel.