"Black Box" Winchesters

I got my first one in 2025 :
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I got these 3 last week :
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And a Coffin Jack is on the way :

Harry
 
That's a beauty!! love the 3902. It has actually ended up becoming one of my favorite black box knives (if ya cant tell, lol). I've had some great luck finding stag 3902s but I'm still on the hunt for the jigged bone version. Here's my 3902s. The 2 open ones on the right are users.
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17755861019153005461265826907510.jpgearly on I tried to emulate hunt but instead of silver I went after something much more appealing the "black box winchesters" but before I could complete my mission word was out that someone was trying to corner the "black box winchesters" so fell a few short lol.
 
Someone asked to see the Winchester "Black Box" knives in one post. Well, here they are...

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That's probably not what you had in mind :D sooooooooooo...


I made this chart for those who are interested in collecting Winchester "Black Box" knives. These are the ones that came out from 1987 to 1991.

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1 BLADE
1901 - 4 inches - Clip (1987)
1920 - 5 1/4 inches - Clip (1990)
1924 - 4 1/4 inches - Clip (1987)
1927 - 5 3/8 inches - Clip (1988)
1936 - 5 inches - T-Clip (1990)

2 BLADES
2851 - 3 inches - Spear/pen (1988)
2857 - 3 1/4 inches - Spear/pen (1987)
2880 ½ - 3 7/8 inches - Spear/clip (1988)
2903 - 3 3/8 inches - Spear/pen (1990)
2904 - 4 1/8 inches - T-Clip/spey (1987)
2904 ½ - 4 inches - T-Clip/spey (1989)
2913 ½ - 4 1/4 inches - Clip/spear (1988)
2921 - 3 1/2 inches - Spear/pen (1987)
2935 - 3 1/4 inches - Wharncliffe/pen (1988)
2967 - 3 7/8 inches - Spear/clip (1988)
2978 - 3 1/4 inches - Spear/pen (1989)
2991 - 3 5/8 inches - Clip/spear (1988)

3 BLADES
3902 - 3 1/2 inches - Clip/pen/pen [Whittler] (1990)
3904 - 3 3/4 inches - Clip/spey/pen [Whittler] (1988)
3907 - 3 7/8 inches - Clip/spey/pen [Whittler] (1991)
3949 - 3 3/4 inches - Clip/spey/sheepsfoot (1989)
3964 - 3 5/8 inches - Clip/spey/sheepsfoot (1987)
3971 - 3 1/2 inches - Clip/small clip/pen [Whittler] (1989)
3995 - 4 inches - Spear/pen/pen [Whittler] (1991)

4 Blades
4935 - 3 1/4 inches - Sheepsfoot/Sheepsfoot/pen/pen (1991)


Kdarmy originally posted a list of Black Box/Red Letter Winchester knives. That list stands true today as far as I know. The only one I've haven't seen a trace of is the 1936 ½ Toothpick from 1992. I've seen several 1036 ½ toothpicks from 1992, but none of them were jigged bone. If anyone has a photo of a 1936 ½ jigged bone Toothpick, I'd love to see what this variation looks like.

There are also two sets:

- Model 37 Red Letter Set (5 knives)
- The Scouts (2 knives)

They're out there, but I keep buying Northfield and TC Barlows... so I may never get those sets :D

It has been fun collecting these. As Charlie has noted previously, you can definitely see the hand of Bill Howard in these knives. They are superb!

Many thanks to mckgreg for the beautiful pictures he posted years ago... that's what really inspired me to start collecting these.
H Hurricane1022 : You may be interested in seeing this info about the Black Boxes that my old friend MerryMadMonk MerryMadMonk made years ago .

Harry
 
H Hurricane1022 : You may be interested in seeing this info about the Black Boxes that my old friend MerryMadMonk MerryMadMonk made years ago .

Harry
That chart or table he made is incredible!! Matter of fact, when I seen someone post it a few years ago, I saved it in my phone and I still refer to it anytime I have a question about them. Many thanks to him & to you. 🙏
 
H Hurricane1022 : You may be interested in seeing this info about the Black Boxes that my old friend MerryMadMonk MerryMadMonk made years ago .

Harry
I miss MerryMadMonk MerryMadMonk , his posts were always interesting. Years ago he made a great post on the history of Winchester and their involvement with E.C. Simmons. He and supratentorial supratentorial were always up for a good discussion on the history of the old companies. Doesn't seem to be as much interest in those types of discussions anymore.:(
 
I miss MerryMadMonk MerryMadMonk , his posts were always interesting. Years ago he made a great post on the history of Winchester and their involvement with E.C. Simmons. He and supratentorial supratentorial were always up for a good discussion on the history of the old companies. Doesn't seem to be as much interest in those types of discussions anymore.:(
I have found it quite frustrating reading the different articles on the internet on the early knife shops and such because so much of it contradicts the others,and now ai has made it worse.so ya I would love for their to be some ba ter back, and forth amongst the knowledgeable Jack Black Jack Black has a great knowledge about the uk that is usually spot on.
 
My coffin jacks. Does anyone know if the coffin jack was offered in stag? I can't say that I've ever seen one.

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I don't believe so,I was trying to find a stag winchester to go along with my roger bone and in my research it seemed it was less than half the offerings of the black box were made In Stag,but I'm wrong about 87.5% of the time,but they made some really nice whittlers.
 
I don't believe so,I was trying to find a stag winchester to go along with my roger bone and in my research it seemed it was less than half the offerings of the black box were made In Stag,but I'm wrong about 87.5% of the time,but they made some really nice whittlers.
Thanks for the input. I have the swell center whittler and small gunstock in stag.
 
i know this is an old thread,,, but the question still remains valid!!!
what modle was the first of the black box Winchesters. My understanding it was the smaller texas toothpic #1924. that being said, there seems th be three versions of the stamping of the model number. i know this to be TRUE,,, I have all three...
I also have read some where the number count of how many of each varant were produced. I just cant find it any more.
one version model number is flat with 87' under 1924,,, version two curverd 1924 with 87' under,,,third 'has curver modle 1924 and no date under.
I have two each of the ones with date 87" but only have seen one "the one i have" with no date,,,,,
any help figuring the out would be greatly apriciated.
I have pic but can't figure out how to post in this forum???
Hurricane
 
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i know this is an old thread,,, but the question still remains valid!!!
what modle was the first of the black box Winchesters. My understanding it was the smaller texas toothpic #1924. that being said, there seems th be three versions of the stamping of the model number. i know this to be TRUE,,, I have all three...
I also have read some where the number count of how many of each varant were produced. I just cant find it any more.
one version model number is flat with 87' under 1924,,, version two curverd 1924 with 87' under,,,third 'has curver modle 1924 and no date under.
I have two each of the ones with date 87" but only have seen one "the one i have" with no date,,,,,
any help figuring the out would be greatly apriciated.
I have pic but can't figure out how to post in this forum???
Hurricane
Here's the one with the pattern 1924 toothpic. You'll have to zoom in of course, but one of the columns has the quantity. Hope it helps.1000036646.jpg
 
H Hurricane1022
According to the Queen History written in 2025 by a David Clark the very first Black Box knives was the 1924 Toothpick .
From his writings :
There were three primary versions of this first release, plus a couple of knife club issues. All had Rogers bone handles, heraldic shield and polished blades with Winchester logo etch. All were tang stamped. Most (4,173 pieces) have the original Winchester stamp as described above, in straight lines, on the mark side and the pattern number “1924” and issue date “’87” in two straight lines on the pile side.
Some (400 units) have no marking on the pile side and still others (600) have 1924 and ’87 stamped in a curve. These two variations are more valuable than the other .

Harry
 
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