Blade dexterity rating

Hey Don, Welcome to the Himalayan Imports Forum ya NOOB! You know I gotta give you a hard time with this
Got any suggestions? Cold Steel's selection and reputation look like a great place to start.
This is like asking over at the Sword Forum International "Got any suggestions? Albion's selection and reputation looks like a great place to start":rolleyes:
Dont worry I will not bring up all those pics you say your gonna post but never do:D
Welcome Don, may your addiction become as strong as ours!:eek:
you gotta lotta catching up to do
sweet-413.jpg
:D
 
Originally posted by Don Nelson ...... What do you mean by "the base of the thumb"?
Fleshy area on the hand at the bottom of the thumb.
Make a soft fist and the middle finger makes a circle here.
This circle is where I feel the pressure when I maneuver a sword/khuk,
so the point on the lever where the torque is applied.

I've held few variety of swords, so my point may be too limited.
 
Originally posted by Don Nelson ...... My 13 year old daughter is really into Khuks, in fact, she got me into them (smile).
Very curious..........
Why? How?
If I may ask.
 
Originally posted by ddean
Ouch.
Ooooooooo.

Let me copy a post from FOG RE Cold Steel kukris.
[FOG, if for any reason you don't want this here, let me know & I'll delete.:) ]

"Let me introduce myself. I am a U.S. Marine. I earned that title over 23 years ago.

On the weapon side of things they are all tools. It is the man who is the weapon.

The similarity is that both seem to address a few simple strikes and counters from various zones or areas vice 6,000 ways to deal with a single attack or opening.

Thanks, Dean for sharing that with me. I am grateful. It's also encouraging to read the comments of a man who shares at least some of my philosophy regarding the messy business of intentionally hurting other people.

Man, I never knew there were so many variations on Khukuris. A stack of them are simply gorgeous. So many choices I'm not even sure where to start, but I'm betting that before the summer is done, my daughter and I will each have a Khuk from Himalayen Imports in the ol' Nelson Armory.

Don

PS: On a more specific note - how DOES one select a Khukri without being able to heft it in advance? How does one know what to look for with regards to blade length, weight and so on? I'm completely out of my depth here.
 
Originally posted by Don Nelson
so many variations on Khukuris. ..............
PS: On a more specific note - how DOES one select a Khukri without being able to heft it in advance? How does one know what to look for with regards to blade length, weight and so on? I'm completely out of my depth here.
Probably safe to say HI has THE Biggest selection of khukuris on the planet.

First time, pick the one that sings to you from the pix.

Some recent threads for a broad range of good input on khuk selection:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=257306

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=261627

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=248044

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=259720

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=257696

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=257423

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=257626

Then read through the forum for comments about those that interest you.
Since model names are often abbreviated, Searches often fail here.
 
Originally posted by sweet
Hey Don, Welcome to the Himalayan Imports Forum ya NOOB! You know I gotta give you a hard time with this

This is like asking over at the Sword Forum International "Got any suggestions? Albion's selection and reputation looks like a great place to start":rolleyes:
Dont worry I will not bring up all those pics you say your gonna post but never do:D
Welcome Don, may your addiction become as strong as ours!:eek:
you gotta lotta catching up to do
sweet-413.jpg
:D

Ben! Hey, Scouts Out, amigo!

Man, you ain't seen nothin' yet (literally - grin). I might just by a bunch of Khuks and NOT post their pictures either (LOL).

Besides I have posted a few pics, ya gotta admit that.

Well, if there is any consolation, both Cold Steel and Albion can sure take some pretty pictures and do a pretty good sales job. The good news is, you know I wouldn't have bought a Khuk without snooping around first. You can thank one of the SFI forumites for steering me over here. His name is....is....is.....

(tired sigh)

Man, I HATE it when I do that....

DEAN RECTOR! That's it - Dean Rector.

Hmmm. Is that the same Dean who's on this thread?

I'm pretty happy about being invited over here really. This might surprise you, but I've kind of run out of European Medieval swords and Sabers and Kats that interest me and was looking for something of a bladey nature to occupy my interest for a while.

Just last week my kid was looking through the Cold Steel catalog they sent me and I was surprised at her enthusism for the Khukris, and as I looked at them, almost for the first time really, I was really drawn by their obvious design functionality and blade presence. So we decided we'd get at least one each.

Been too darned busy lately though. Seems the damned house always needs some major work done on it.

Anyway, this has been really cool. Can't wait to show the Himalayan Imports site to my kid tonight.

Got any recommendations for models of Khuks to choose from?

Don

PS: Recommendations from other folks welcome too. Thanks.
 
Ang Khola! Big, heavy, and charasmatic.

. . .course, the WWII is a nice combination between workhorse and combat-y-ness.

The BAS is most like what those Ghurkas carry nowadays. Better quality, though. ;)

A sirupati would be really nice if you'd rather have flowing, sword-like movements.

Ah . . . just get whatever you think looks good. I like em all. :)

But the Ang Khola . . . mmm. I'm really into massive knives. :)
 
Originally posted by Don Nelson
Is that the same Dean who's on this thread?
Same me. :)

Just pick the ones where you and your daughter each say, "Wow! Yeah! That One!"

Remember.
It's just the start of a collection.
Have we mentioned HIKV?


Do you want traditional, or more swordlike?
 
Don, I'm on SFI too and I own my share of Atrims and other blades too, hehe. Got a HC 1086 in the works at Rick Barrett's...hopefully he'll finish this month.

Since you said 'armory', I assume you wouldn't want the khuks made specifically for heavy-duty chopping and prying jobs. So that means you will likely be looking at the Chitlangis (double or triple fullered blades), Gelbu Specials, 16.5" WWII models, Sirupatis and Kobras. There are other models in there which may qualify as a weapon, but I have not had much experience with those. My personal picks for a weapon would be an 18" Gelbu Special by Bura, or an 18 - 20" Kobra by Bura.
 
Tell us the area and vegetation you plan to use it in. Tell us your purpose for the use of it. Tell us...

By the way, welcome to the Cantina, one of the friendlier and less pretencious watering holes on the Blaseforums. It's a bit like walking into the bar in the first
Star Wars - the clientele is rather different at first glance.

So are the khukuris. Aome seem to have a spirit, a soul in them activated when you pick them up. When one tells you that you belong to it you'll understand.

Yeah, sure!:rolleyes:
:D :D :D
 
Originally posted by ddean
Very curious..........
Why? How?
If I may ask.

I've raised my kid the way most guys would raise their sons. It all started the moment my kid was born and I held her in my arms in the delivery room.

I don't know what happened, but it must have been divinely inspired. I felt an allegiance to that little life that was so intense it defies description. I made an unspoken, and really, an unthought promise that I would do everything I could to help keep her safe.

And that meant making her as self-reliant as possible.

I've taught her how to hike, camp, read a map, how to shoot firearms of various types, bow and arrow. Taught her what I knew of sword fighting, and what I've learned since. Taught her the basics of the hand-to-hand combat I learned from my Ranger and Special Forces instructors when I was in the army. Taught her how to use hand tools, power tools.

Taught her how to cook.

Taught her much. In fact last night we fenced epee against each other. I still win more bouts than she does, but that margin is fading fast. In two bouts she beat me 3-0.

Last week I introduced her to the 9mm semi-auto she took a fancy to a few years ago (S&W 6906). She got a good rhythm going and at 7 yards put five rounds into a group I could cover with a fifty-cent piece.

Some 18 months ago we saw Lord of the Rings, and my long dormant love of swords suddenly erupted like a volcano, and I was shocked that my daughter was taken by them as well. I taught her how to fence. She took off like a shot and I was unable to teach her more, so enrolled her in fencing lessons.

The kid's good. Real good. It won't be long and she'll be better than me.

During that period I bought a few wall hanger swords, was disgusted. Finally discovered "functional" swords. Bought a couple, showed them to my kid and she was smitten by them. Since then her interests in swords kinda follows mine, but she's always known her own mind and allowed her interest in blades to follow where it will.

One of our "quality time" things we do is look at hunting, camping and weapons catalogs together. About six or eight months ago I learned that she'd become a fan of "big knives", it, Bowies and Khukris. I thought, "That's nice" and basically didn't pay much attention to it other than to note it.

Then just last week as we were looking at the Cold Steel catalog, she was really drooling over the Khuks. And I finally took a good look, for the first time really, and I had to admit, that those things had a "sairten soomthin'" as they say in Scotland.

Don
 
Hey Don, since both you and I come from sword backgrounds custom my 1st H.I grab I bought was a Kami No Name 25" Sirupati which is the one on the top in the pic, 2nd down is the Dui Chirra (the Cadi) 3rd is the Chitlangi, 4th is my Wife's Sirupati, 5th M43, 6th WWII, 7th and 8th custom order scrams, and last the H.I convention special. Not pictured are 25" Kobra and large Tibetan sword...Villager was given to serve my Bro(close friend) in Iraq (still there) and another WWII given to my Little Bro....whichever you choose you'll be very happy...
I'm with you on this, I just moved off in another direction
This might surprise you, but I've kind of run out of European Medieval swords and Sabers and Kats that interest me and was looking for something of a bladey nature to occupy my interest for a while.
Thats why I picked up that Armor Class Pappenheimer rapier and dagger along with my 1st Scottish baskethilt (while waiting for a custom Scottish baskethilt to come here June 04')

Sirupati would still be my 1st to purchase...after that you'll see:D
 
Originally posted by ddean
Same me. :)

Just pick the ones where you and your daughter each say, "Wow! Yeah! That One!"

Remember.
It's just the start of a collection.
Have we mentioned HIKV?

Do you want traditional, or more swordlike?

I like the idea of picking one that sings to you when picking from a selection of quality products. That's never failed me so far.

Probably more traditional I'd think. My kid and I are already well equipped with swords. So I think we'll branch out into something new.

Don
 
Kmark;

Howdy! Recognized your name.

You wrote, "Got a HC 1086 in the works at Rick Barrett's...hopefully he'll finish this month."

Me: Congratulations. I might find myself owning an Howard Clark one of these days. Gotta get used to the idea of spending $5,000-plus for a non-Nihonto, but I figure I'll get there eventually. Rick's currently working on three fantasy swords for me and my daughter. Rick is amazing. What that guy can do with bronze and steel is nothing short of divinely inspired.

You: "Since you said 'armory', I assume you wouldn't want the khuks made specifically for heavy-duty chopping and prying jobs."

Me: Actually, hadn't thought one way or the other about it. My ignorance at work again. My kid and I like camping, so it would be nice to have something of more non-combat orientation I guess. But on the other hand, I'd still propbably just drag a machete or saw along anyway.

You: "So that means you will likely be looking at the Chitlangis (double or triple fullered blades), Gelbu Specials, 16.5" WWII models, Sirupatis and Kobras. There are other models in there which may qualify as a weapon, but I have not had much experience with those. My personal picks for a weapon would be an 18" Gelbu Special by Bura, or an 18 - 20" Kobra by Bura."

Me: Just to make sure I get my terminology straight, when you say an 18" Kobra, do you mean it has an 18" blade, or that the piece is 18" in overall length?

Thanks.

Don
 
Originally posted by Don Nelson .......Probably more traditional I'd think. My kid and I are already well equipped with swords. So I think we'll branch out into something new.
Just general guidance:

Probably 15"-20" OAL (which, actually, is most of the models)

Don't get the BAS (British Army Service) first.
Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow.
[I'm being pelted by chakmas.]
:D

It's a great blade, some swear by them,
some like myself just see them as a blade
that can't figure out what it's good for.
It's designed as general purpose military issue.

But if it sings to you..................
 
Originally posted by Rusty
Tell us the area and vegetation you plan to use it in. Tell us your purpose for the use of it. Tell us...

By the way, welcome to the Cantina, one of the friendlier and less pretencious watering holes on the Blaseforums. It's a bit like walking into the bar in the first
Star Wars - the clientele is rather different at first glance.

So are the khukuris. Aome seem to have a spirit, a soul in them activated when you pick them up. When one tells you that you belong to it you'll understand.

Yeah, sure!:rolleyes:
:D :D :D

Hey, Rusty;

I'm a fairly straight-forward fellow. I don't have a lot of patience for poseurs, so I reckon I'd enjoy the company here. Plus, how could you not like the Cantina in Star Wars (grin).

Let's see, what would we use these blades for?

Well, let's be frank, and trying not to sound macho or melodramatic, but first priority would be self-defense, especially with respect to my kid.

Ideally, if she ever needs a weapon, I hope she's got a 12-ga locked into her shoulder or a hard-hitting semi-auto in a Strong Weaver stance. Barring that, a good long sword with at least a 34" blade. Barring that, or if in close quarters, I think the Khukri would be the ideal choice.

Secondary functions might be light brush clearing at a campsite. I don't foresee trying to hack through anything that a machete couldn't handle. So, let's say, maybe green branches or trunks of small trees or brush with trunks no more than 1.5" in diameter?

Anything thicker than that I'd probably use my machete or a saw.

I don't like prying things much unless I'm prying with a prying tool. I generally never use a knife for prying. I have a set of Camillus hunting knives I take with me. One if a fairly hefty blade of 6-7", and it has a little brother with a blade of maybe 4-5". I also carry a smallish pry-bar in the camping gear.

But of course, I am a firm believer in Murphy's Law. I also teach my kid survival skills and I know that what ever knife we wear on our hips has to be strong enough to chop a bit, and pry a bit. You just never know.

Don

PS: I am a believer in what I call "bonding" between warrior and weapon. It would be a rare weaponeer who has not experienced it at least once. One thing I've found is that when I have a selection of high quality weapons to choose from, that I can normally tell by looking at them if I am likely to bond with the weapon. Note the operative term "likely". Doesn't always work, but works often enough I'm willing to gamble on it.
 
Originally posted by sweet
Hey Don, since both you and I come from sword backgrounds custom my 1st H.I grab I bought was a Kami No Name 25" Sirupati which is the one on the top in the pic, 2nd down is the Dui Chirra (the Cadi) 3rd is the Chitlangi, 4th is my Wife's Sirupati, 5th M43, 6th WWII, 7th and 8th custom order scrams, and last the H.I convention special. Not pictured are 25" Kobra and large Tibetan sword...Villager was given to serve my Bro(close friend) in Iraq (still there) and another WWII given to my Little Bro....whichever you choose you'll be very happy...
I'm with you on this, I just moved off in another direction
Thats why I picked up that Armor Class Pappenheimer rapier and dagger along with my 1st Scottish baskethilt (while waiting for a custom Scottish baskethilt to come here June 04')

Sirupati would still be my 1st to purchase...after that you'll see:D

Thanks, Ben. Will take your comments under advisement.

Don
 
Originally posted by ddean
Just general guidance:

Probably 15"-20" OAL (which, actually, is most of the models)

Don't get the BAS (British Army Service) first.
Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow.
[I'm being pelted by chakmas.]
:D

It's a great blade, some swear by them,
some like myself just see them as a blade
that can't figure out what it's good for.
It's designed as general purpose military issue.

But if it sings to you..................

Okay. Will keep that advice in mind too.

Thanks.

Don
 
"Secondary functions might be light brush clearing at a campsite. I don't foresee trying to hack through anything that a machete couldn't handle. So, let's say, maybe green branches or trunks of small trees or brush with trunks no more than 1.5" in diameter?
Anything thicker than that I'd probably use my machete or a saw."

hmm,

Unless you get one of the longer Kobras (which are really more like a sword), khuks start to shine when chopping or splitting things that are starting to get too big for machetes, unless one has a pretty tweaked-up machete, I think. With a convexed bevel (some tend to come a with some hollow in the grind now) they chop like a thin-bladed axe, and one can torque a little to clear chips if needed. They're thick, heavy, and the bent blade puts the sweet spot in a place similar to that of a hatchet. For clearing a lot of small stuff, most khuks will tire one more than a machete, and the reach is less.

Ghurkas are reputed to chop up to 4" diameter green branches with one stroke. Most here probably don't have the life-long experience to try and put maximum snap, draw, and body movement into a khuk swing without getting dangerous. It's not needed anyway--a few carefully placed strokes will take out most 4" diameter trees with ease.

You'll see.:)

An 18" Gelbu special or a Chitlangi might be ones to look at--the fullers make them seem pretty quick and they have a little lighter-feeling balance. 22 oz or lighter in weight if you want quick.

A two lb, 18" Ang Khola or "Baby" Ganga Ram
Special starts to get into the league of major wood choppers. A 4-5 lb 25" Ang khola has got to be a short splitting maul. My 3 lb Ganga Ram Special is about as big as I can manage for any length of time.

I know zip about swords.
 
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