Blade Forums Auction

[HAMMERHEAD2]

:footinmou

 

[TheBadGuy]

Originally posted by HAMMERHEAD2
Open the Damn thread and let Wolfman finish the auction. It is a matter of common decency, charity, you getting this? Say what you want, give any reason you want but in the end you just shut down a charitable auction. :grumpy:

The Auction is over, This is a Feedback from the winner of that auction. What are you talking about???

 

[Keith Montgomery]

I have no problem with Mike closing the thread. As has been stated, the auction was over anyway. I do think though that Mike could have been more sensitive in what he posted about why the thread was being closed. His post could have been worded much better.

What has been posted here about the forum and it's needs do have to be addressed. If we are to maintain this community so that someone in need can find out just how generous a lot of the members here are, then we are going to have to figure out how raise the money to do the hardware upgrades that have become necessary.

 

[Spark]

This isn't an auction site. We've tried having auctions here and got nothing but trouble from it - and on top of that, we even spent several thousand dollars on auction software a few years ago only to have the members decide "Thanks, but no thanks" and not use it.

This site is not set up for auctions. Auctions don't run well here. The format isn't conducive. We appreciate the intent, however, we set up the "No Auctions" policy for a reason - and ask that you all respect our wishes on the subject. Just like we don't allow selling outside of the Exchange forums, we don't allow auctions, or links to auctions inside them.

If you guys want to sell items on an auction site and donate the proceeds, I won't stop you. I know that your hearts are in the right place and you are only trying to do good, give back, and help out. In the meantime, please respect the policies we've set in place and realize that we are trying to do our best as well.

Kevin

 

[Brandon -B-]

We've tried having auctions here and got nothing but trouble from it

Seems like the trouble this time was that some dipshit moderator locked a thread by Ira (a guy as stand up as they come) that was going to help someone from the knife community (one of the more honorable ideas I've seen here). Instead, your moderator wanted the funds to go towards the server. I don't check the forums here often so I'm not sure if it was too quiet around here and you dorks just needed to create a problem or what. Couldn't you just let dennis back in or something instead of jacking around like this? Jumpin Jesus on a pogo stick. Anyway...

Brandon

 

[nifman]

I was just in the process of becoming a Gold member when the sh**
hit the fan. What Ira and Masterchef did was a very nobel thing. It really made me want to become more involved with the folks on this site. The world has turned to a cold selfish place. When I see people trying to help someone who may be down on their luck it gives me hope for all of us. I won the bid and I have no doubts the money would be put to good use. I was trying to figure out what knife I would donate
to this cause. Well I guess this is water under the bridge now so it is time to move on, but I for one will be watching what happens in the future. I did not know money was needed to keep Bladeforums running smoothly. I would be more than happy to help in any way I can.
Thanks for Bladeforums!!!!!!!!!

 

[wolfmann601]

Originally posted by Jeremy Reynolds
Ira's intentions were never in question. By Code 3 or anyone who has posted. I'm sure everyone who has read this, including myself, think it's a noble idea. The problem comes with the fact the proper channels were not taken to set up this fund. If it's going to be established, then guidelines will have to be set. A Policies and Procedures would need to be drafted. If I'm not mistaken, taxes would have to be paid on any ammount of money over $600 if tax exempt status was not aquired for the fund.

Also, Cougar brings up some great points. If this fund is to be established, how and who gets to decide where the money goes. Do we form a committee of a few BFC members in good standing and let them decide together? Do you invest the money to gain interest on the dollar so more money can be raised for the fund? There's too many questions left unanswered.


JR

Jeremy,
If this fund ever gets to the $100 dollar mark, I will MATCH it. It would be my absolute pleasure to see it get to $600 and NOT pay one freakin penny in taxes. Kinda like selling AUTO knives here on BFC. It would be the chance one takes.

As far as Policy and procedures, This is NOT a Government fund. You fall on some tough times and it becomes pretty common knowledge here within a short period of time. This 'fund' is set up in a Paypal account and when a member of this COMMUNITY has a run of bad luck the word gets out and some cash is offered to help. There, the policy and procedure manual is COMPLETE!!!

The term 'auction' is probably a poor term to use. I have a few knives that just do not want to sell here. Rather than give them away [and the giving of knives as gifts is not uncommon here], it just seems like the right thing to do. My intention was to add the BM Darkstar that I thought was a Sentinel:footinmou , and one other knife and add to this fund before the Holidays. If I sincerely thought my actions required permission, I would have asked. I just do not understand why this should.

As far as paying to keep BFC running, thats a no-brainer. I already pay for a gold membership and would not balk if the fee increased to $50.00 a year. This is a very important place for me.

Again, this needs to be put into perspective. It is an attempt to generate a paypal account with a few hundred dollars. I made certain that when it started I would not be in any way benefited by it. This is payback for the generosity and compassion shown me. There does not need to be any policies or procedures beyond genuine need and GOD help the formite who ever tried to needlessly milk this account for a few bucks. As has been evidenced here time after time, dishonesty gets identified quickly and the penalty is Death.

Right or wrong this fund has been created and has $60.00. If you need it simply ask. If not it will sit available until it is. Hopefully it will grow and NEVER be needed but I highly doubt that. Just E-mail yiterp and tell him whats-up. The man is a Saint. In the meantime I am going to keep selling knives and put the proceeds in this fund. I know others will also. The hardest part is getting the ADMIN of BFC to acknowledge this and allow it without needing to control it or even be part of it. All I ask is they allow this to continue in an orderly fashion. Having a small fund is what COMMUNITY is all about ....................Ira

 

[DaveH]

As i recall when the auction software went in, the user interface sucked. badly.

But anyway I don't see there's a real problem, just put something up forsale and send the proceeds to the fund.

Oh and I think dumping avatars is a good idea, nothing but ego boards anyway.

(I'd like to see sigs dumped too or limited to one line or less, nothing like seeing $20 percents or more of a thread taken up by the same words over and over)

 

[Spark]

Originally posted by Brandon -B-
Seems like the trouble this time was that some dipshit moderator locked a thread by Ira (a guy as stand up as they come) that was going to help someone from the knife community (one of the more honorable ideas I've seen here). Instead, your moderator wanted the funds to go towards the server. I don't check the forums here often so I'm not sure if it was too quiet around here and you dorks just needed to create a problem or what. Couldn't you just let dennis back in or something instead of jacking around like this? Jumpin Jesus on a pogo stick. Anyway...

Brandon

Brandon, if you feel you can do a better job than us, you can feel free to start your own site and make some of the tough calls. Until then, please refrain from calling the moderators dipshits. It appears that your post is just trying to stir up trouble. How about working with us instead of against us?

Kevin

 

[Spark]

Originally posted by wolfmann601
As far as Policy and procedures, This is NOT a Government fund. You fall on some tough times and it becomes pretty common knowledge here within a short period of time. This 'fund' is set up in a Paypal account and when a member of this COMMUNITY has a run of bad luck the word gets out and some cash is offered to help. There, the policy and procedure manual is COMPLETE!!!

Ira, that's greatly oversimplifying matters and you know it. Who decides who gets money and who doesn't? Who decides if the cause is valid? Who monitors the funds and makes sure people don't steal from it? Who has access to the money? What kind of oversight is there?

These are all very real problems and opens BladeForums.com up to unlimited liability if it's not handled properly. As much as I'd like to have something like this in place, I'm not getting sued by someone who chipped in $20, then turns around and isn't happy when it goes to someone they don't like. Or is turned down for a reason they feel is unfair. You'd be suprised what you can get sued for these days.

The term 'auction' is probably a poor term to use. I have a few knives that just do not want to sell here. Rather than give them away [and the giving of knives as gifts is not uncommon here], it just seems like the right thing to do.

I'd agree. It's a very poor word to use, and we're not set up for that sort of selling. I agree with the concept, but calling it an auction and trying to sell like one doesn't work well here.

As far as paying to keep BFC running, thats a no-brainer. I already pay for a gold membership and would not balk if the fee increased to $50.00 a year. This is a very important place for me.

And we thank you for your support.

Again, this needs to be put into perspective. It is an attempt to generate a paypal account with a few hundred dollars. I made certain that when it started I would not be in any way benefited by it. This is payback for the generosity and compassion shown me. There does not need to be any policies or procedures beyond genuine need and GOD help the formite who ever tried to needlessly milk this account for a few bucks. As has been evidenced here time after time, dishonesty gets identified quickly and the penalty is Death.

Unfortunately, that's not the case and simply not true. If you want to set up an "Ira Fund for the disadvantaged KnifeNut", you can be my guest. Please do not open BladeForums.com to liability by attaching our name without our consent.

Heck, you just publicly stated that anyone who defrauds this "fund" will be killed. Those statements have an annoying tendency to come back and bite you in the ass later - you should know that as a former cop.

Right or wrong this fund has been created and has $60.00. If you need it simply ask. If not it will sit available until it is. Hopefully it will grow and NEVER be needed but I highly doubt that. Just E-mail yiterp and tell him whats-up. The man is a Saint. In the meantime I am going to keep selling knives and put the proceeds in this fund. I know others will also. The hardest part is getting the ADMIN of BFC to acknowledge this and allow it without needing to control it or even be part of it. All I ask is they allow this to continue in an orderly fashion. Having a small fund is what COMMUNITY is all about ....................Ira

Again, I don't have a problem with that, but if you want to attach the BladeForums.com name to it, there has to be some sort of oversight and paperwork that insulates us from legal backlash.

Kevin

 

[Spark]

Originally posted by DaveH
As i recall when the auction software went in, the user interface sucked. badly.

Same software BladeAuction uses - people there don't have a problem with it. Heck, he instituted that software after reading about my suggestions for auction software.

 

[HAMMERHEAD2]

My Mistake I was under the impression the auction had been locked down.

 

[wolfmann601]

Spark:
I did not mean DEATH to imply the physcial taking of one's life. I meant DEATH as in one's reputation.

There is such a fund, it DOES exist, and it was intended to help anyone who asks for help. I am about as versed in issues of liability as there is, short of an attorney and I simply do not see much liability attaching from having a paypal account with a couple of hundred bucks available to help out a BFC formite. In order for Liability top attach,there must be damages..........NEVER MIND


Spark, it's your show and it's the best show in town so I am in no position to make waves. As much as I would love to put on my RANT CAP and go bonkers about your concerns over theft, policies for the distribution of funds and my comment about dishonest actions resulting in "Death" I shall not.

The fund has $60.00 in it and that's where it shall stop. It was simply a gesture of good will on my part to have some cash on hand to help another member of this COMMUNITY when they fall on some hard times similar to the way my life has been since June. It clearly cannot work without controversy and the ADMIN has spoken.

I will ask the money go to charity and the paypal account be closed.

Happy Holiday

Edited to fix spelling

 

[Spark]

Ya Ira - I know you had the best intentions, and believe me, I'd love to throw BFC full force behind them. Unfortunately, when it comes to money, people sometimes lose their heads, and unless bases are covered, I don't want to take on any more liability than we have to.

Ira, you are doing a good thing. I fully encourage you (and others) to build something like "Helping Hands" where a knifenut in need can be helped. As it stands now, though, we can't officially be a part of it.

Kevin

 

[Jeremy Reynolds]

Ira,

I have to agree with Spark. I am fully behind you in the idea. I think it's a wonderful gesture, and hope to see it reach hights no one could have imagined. I will be more then happy to toss some money into the pot via PayPal.
I also agree with Spark in the legal aspect. When money is involved, there will be lies and deception. While it's hard to imagine anyone could do such a morbid thing, it will happen. Greed is a powerful thing. I would like to see a constitution of sorts drawn up for the program. One that lays out critera for the fund, such as who is in charge of allocating funds and how they will be distributed. This is just a part of the CMA principle. It's amazing how many people out there will attempt to screw over a person or group who is attempting to do a wonderful thing. If this is going to happen, then we should do it right. We should go all out with this and make it happen in a very productive manner.

Just MHO.

JR

 

[wolfmann601]

Listen, this was intended to be a small fund of only a few heundred dollars.

The idea that enough red tape to wrap around the USA twice in order to have some cash on hand to help out a formite goes miles beyond my comprehension.

I live in a small town. I have established funds before to help residents out. those that milked the fund were identified quickly.

Enough with my intentions were good bullsh*t. enough with the crap about Policies, committees, and watch-dog groups to manage this fund.

It was meant to be small potatoes, a quick hundred bucks in a time of need.

You say it cannot work, you say it is not allowed, you say it will be loaded with enormous potential for corruption. I say BULLSH*T.

But why in God's name would I bother to continue establishing a "helping hand fund" when I am expected to jump through hoops.

I want to thank all those that helped me when I was truly down and almost out. If it was not for the approx. $300 raised for me I would have lost my house.

I have an enormous love for the knife community but doing the right thing is impossible here.

YOU set up a fund and I will contribute, in the meantime if I can be of any assistance, drop me an E-mail.

This fund is DEAD, this issue is DEAD

 

[Mike G]

Guys;

Even though Spark has spoken, I will comment.

My suggestion of giving the money to the BFC server fund was in jest, and I suppose I could have worded that differently, and made my humor more apparent.

My apologies to all for that lapse in my humor.

I understand what Ira & the others were doing; my only problem was that the 'auction' was conducted without permission, and by doing so violated the rules, so I locked the thread. That is doing my job.

Had I known what was going on, and why that 'auction' was started, I'd probably have supported it 100%, and left it alone. I'm not a cold hearted bastard; I deal with people who are down & out on a regular basis, and go the extra mile to help them get what they need, and like I said, had Ira contacted one of us, and asked for permission, this would be a non issue.

Some of you made some comments regarding my moderating style, and I will not apologize for that. I am a no B.S. type of guy, who doesn't play the 'touchy feely' games. I am bluntly honest, and to the point. That is who I am, and I will not apologize for that, either. You may not like me, and I am ok with that. I'm not here to win popularity contests; I am here to enjoy the hobby just like you, and moderating for BFC (as a volunteer) is my way of giving back to a place I love.

Bottom line here, folks, is that as moderators, we have a job to do. It may not be something you like, but thats the way it is.

 

[Mike G]

Originally posted by ralphtt
Always interesting to be an observer when someone who cannot handle responsibility is given a little authority.

Ralph;

Interesting comments, coming fom someone who doesnt know a damn thing about me, or what I do for a living, ect.

I won't apologize for how I moderate.

If you have issues with me, have some guts to email me, and discuss them. Otherwise, go talk to yourself in the mirror. You may get some response.

 

[ralphtt]

Originally posted by CODE 3
Guys;

My suggestion of giving the money to the BFC server fund was in jest, and I suppose I could have worded that differently, and made my humor more apparent.

My apologies to all . . .

Don't have issues with you. Just felt you ran rough shod over Ira and wanted to support him.

And, CODE . . . I don't need to know what you do for a living. Your many posts and overall attitude tell me enough about what kind of person you are. Your statement "My suggestion of giving the money to the BFC server fund was in jest . . . " is revealing and somehow, hollow.

:barf:

 

[Mike G]

Ralph;

I'm glad that you have the insight to tell what kind of person I am just by my posts here at BFC.

Maybe you should join the Psychic Freinds Network, or get into a partnership with Miss Cleo. Maybe you can open a website, and have every visitor type a few paragraphs so you can analyze them.

Don't have issues with you. Just felt you ran rough shod over Ira and wanted to support him.

I did my job. Period. I really don't care how you 'felt' about what I did.
As I stated; if you have issues with me, or how I moderate, email me, and I'll be happy to discuss it with you.