Blade hypocricy

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popedandy said:
Yup. Caught some flack for using a Buck 55 folder (2.5" blade) to open a bag of potato chips when there is an 8" kitchen knife sitting around that gets used for cutting cake.
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That's funny as I grew up in the same County as you live in and just about everyone I knew carried a knife on them back when I was in School..... ;)

But then that was a long time ago...
 
This all sounds horrible what things have gotten to but it's sadly true. I am in HS still and am taking a "technical theater" class be because it's one of the few classes on campus where we get to do stuff with our hands. No body/auto shop, no wood shop, no metal shop available. We use powertools such as miter saws, jigsaws, impacts drills and this other saw (which I can't remember its name ATM; portable, round blade, used to cut plywood), but when we have to use box cutters, we have to check them out. The whole class got held in because one went missing or wasn't checked back in. Turns out it was just in a hat on a table.
 
with all the shooting and the school stabbing in Pa recently. I understand why they are cautious about knives in school. I do not think you should be allowed to carry in school becuase it should be a zero tolerance policy. if they let you then they have to let others. I do not think the butcher knife should be there. they need to get rid of that. People often over look kitchen knives but that is exactly what was used in the PA school stabbing a few months back.
 
ericvar101 said:
with all the shooting and the school stabbing in Pa recently. I understand why they are cautious about knives in school. I do not think you should be allowed to carry in school becuase it should be a zero tolerance policy. if they let you then they have to let others. I do not think the butcher knife should be there. they need to get rid of that. People often over look kitchen knives but that is exactly what was used in the PA school stabbing a few months back.
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And just turn in all your potential weapons in compliance with your Masters.

Screw Zero Tolerance. I went to High School during the mid 1980s in Kalifornia. I carried either a Sears/Camillus Buck 110 clone or a Pacific Cutlery Balisong in my back pocket. Had a lot of other classmates that carried a pocket knife of some sort too.

Fast forward about 15 years when my younger half-brother was attending High School in Georgia. Friend of his from Orchestra and a Honor Roll student gets suspended due to the Zero Tolerance policy. Knife wasn't even on him. The school did a random vehicle inspection and found a steak knife in the tool box in the trunk of his old beater car. Kid had forgotten it was in there. His father had left it in there after using it to cut some duct tape to fix one of the radiator hoses.

I understand what school officials are trying to do, but there needs to be some understanding of the situation & person involved. Cookie-cutter one punishment fits all is not the right response. And I have no answer or ideas on what to do about all the kids stabbing/shooting incidents. No idea why it is so much more of a problem now from when I was a kid, and we had more access to knives & firearms.
 
I graduated high school in 2006 and we were allowed to have knives as long as the blade was under 3.5". You couldn't be doing stupid stuff obviously, but it just wasn't an issue. I always kept mine in my backpack and used it when needed.
 
ericvar101 said:
with all the shooting and the school stabbing in Pa recently. I understand why they are cautious about knives in school. I do not think you should be allowed to carry in school becuase it should be a zero tolerance policy. if they let you then they have to let others. I do not think the butcher knife should be there. they need to get rid of that. People often over look kitchen knives but that is exactly what was used in the PA school stabbing a few months back.
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I understand where you're coming from, I honestly do. But as a teacher (hey, maybe you are too) I can tell you that while Zero Tolerance has its heart in the right place--in a way--it is horribly, awfully, terribly managed and utilized. It needs a complete restructuring where teachers and admins can use common sense and take things on a case by case basis. So that Honors students on track to good colleges and universities don't get suspended or expelled for forgetting a pocket knife they were using on the farm earlier that day. And so that a small child isn't suspended for drawing a pic of his dad playing the Wii that is mistaken for his dad with a gun. These things shouldn't happen and we cannot allow people to be sacrificed on the altar of Zero Tolerance like this.

2. We really, really, really need to stop sensationalizing shootings and school violence and putting it on the front page. It doesn't deserve front page status and this, in my mind, only encourages the pathetic wannabes who are in it for "glory." It's page 6 news at best. If we stop giving them the fame they want, I think these occurrences will drop, at least somewhat.

My father and grandfather, etc, could take guns and knives to school and show them to the other kids whenever. No one cared (and interestingly, no one was ever shot or stabbed in that era, that I know of). Something has changed, and it isn't our guns or knives,despite stricter laws.
 
RedLynx said:
I understand where you're coming from, I honestly do. But as a teacher (hey, maybe you are too) I can tell you that while Zero Tolerance has its heart in the right place--in a way--it is horribly, awfully, terribly managed and utilized. It needs a complete restructuring where teachers and admins can use common sense and take things on a case by case basis. So that Honors students on track to good colleges and universities don't get suspended or expelled for forgetting a pocket knife they were using on the farm earlier that day. And so that a small child isn't suspended for drawing a pic of his dad playing the Wii that is mistaken for his dad with a gun. These things shouldn't happen and we cannot allow people to be sacrificed on the altar of Zero Tolerance like this.

2. We really, really, really need to stop sensationalizing shootings and school violence and putting it on the front page. It doesn't deserve front page status and this, in my mind, only encourages the pathetic wannabes who are in it for "glory." It's page 6 news at best. If we stop giving them the fame they want, I think these occurrences will drop, at least somewhat.

My father and grandfather, etc, could take guns and knives to school and show them to the other kids whenever. No one cared (and interestingly, no one was ever shot or stabbed in that era, that I know of). Something has changed, and it isn't our guns or knives,despite stricter laws.
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Maybe, as society continues to decline I fear it may just get worse.
 
mete said:
Here's the story
http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=5611
Another example of how liberals are distroying education .
Zero Tolerance = Zero Brains
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As a former teacher of younger students as well as major instructor of professional working MD radiologists, as well as a scientist with 35 yrs in the medical field, AND a LIFE member of the NRA, I have to say that I agree with the bold print.
Sonnydaze...
 
Sonnydaze said:
As a former teacher of younger students as well as major instructor of professional working MD radiologists, as well as a scientist with 35 yrs in the medical field, AND a LIFE member of the NRA, I have to say that I agree with the bold print.
Sonnydaze...
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As I was reading this I expected some kind of sarcasm as the endgame... but it was simple refreshing honesty.
 
RedLynx said:
I understand where you're coming from, I honestly do. But as a teacher (hey, maybe you are too) I can tell you that while Zero Tolerance has its heart in the right place--in a way--it is horribly, awfully, terribly managed and utilized. It needs a complete restructuring where teachers and admins can use common sense and take things on a case by case basis. So that Honors students on track to good colleges and universities don't get suspended or expelled for forgetting a pocket knife they were using on the farm earlier that day. And so that a small child isn't suspended for drawing a pic of his dad playing the Wii that is mistaken for his dad with a gun. These things shouldn't happen and we cannot allow people to be sacrificed on the altar of Zero Tolerance like this.

2. We really, really, really need to stop sensationalizing shootings and school violence and putting it on the front page. It doesn't deserve front page status and this, in my mind, only encourages the pathetic wannabes who are in it for "glory." It's page 6 news at best. If we stop giving them the fame they want, I think these occurrences will drop, at least somewhat.

My father and grandfather, etc, could take guns and knives to school and show them to the other kids whenever. No one cared (and interestingly, no one was ever shot or stabbed in that era, that I know of). Something has changed, and it isn't our guns or knives,despite stricter laws.
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Good point. I did not grow up in the farming or small town communities that some people did, but I was able to carry a small pocket knife (probably officially against the rules) without x-ray machines, metal detectors and constant hassle. I have also taught as a Peace Corps volunteer in schools where students used machetes during school cleanup days and were able to carry them (wrapped in newspaper) on public buses going to school. The social climate, not the knives, is the problem.
 
RedLynx said:
My father and grandfather, etc, could take guns and knives to school and show them to the other kids whenever. No one cared (and interestingly, no one was ever shot or stabbed in that era, that I know of). Something has changed, and it isn't our guns or knives,despite stricter laws.
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In Michigan, from October 20 to November 10th was small game season, and many of us high-schoolers carried our shotguns to school in the morning and left them in the principal's office. After school, we hunted pheasants and rabbits in the cornfields near our high school and then walked home at dusk. NEVER heard of an accident or a shooting of a person. Those were also the days when we never locked our doors...and my mother would feed sandwiches and milk to occasional railroad "bums" who knocked politely at the front door. It was a nice way to grow up. You have to question what happened...and who (or what) caused it...and is it recoverable?
 
ericvar101 said:
with all the shooting and the school stabbing in Pa recently. I understand why they are cautious about knives in school. I do not think you should be allowed to carry in school becuase it should be a zero tolerance policy. if they let you then they have to let others. I do not think the butcher knife should be there. they need to get rid of that. People often over look kitchen knives but that is exactly what was used in the PA school stabbing a few months back.
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I am a teacher and there are activities I do with my class where I need a knife. I don't let them use it. We were doing a egg drop where the students had to make something to protect an egg when it from s. Many students came to me for precision cuts they couldn't have done with scissors. You don't think I should be allowed to have done that?
 
I have a dream, that one day a zero tolerance policy will mean you must have an expensive production model knife made from KAI!
 
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OK, and finally many of you who were able to carry knives, I'm happy for you. Nonetheless, my school is in a very bad neighborhood, poverty, gangs, all that jazz. I do not think my students should be able to bring a knife to school. That could turn a simple fight into a huge deal. I think things around here aren't the same culturally as where you are. I carried a knife with me when I was younger and in school. I knew I wasn't allowed to and understood why. While there are many fantastic students, there are also a lot of kids who are very mixed up. While the zero tolerance policies seem to be taken way out of proportion (really, a steak knife in a toolbox in the kids car!?) I still dont think kids should be able to bring knives to school.

QUESTION:

If you were in charge of a school district with the issues I explained above, what type of policy would you put in place? Why?
 
BenchCo Spydermade said:
OK, and finally many of you who were able to carry knives, I'm happy for you. Nonetheless, my school is in a very bad neighborhood, poverty, gangs, all that jazz. I do not think my students should be able to bring a knife to school. That could turn a simple fight into a huge deal. I think things around here aren't the same culturally as where you are. I carried a knife with me when I was younger and in school. I knew I wasn't allowed to and understood why. While there are many fantastic students, there are also a lot of kids who are very mixed up. While the zero tolerance policies seem to be taken way out of proportion (really, a steak knife in a toolbox in the kids car!?) I still dont think kids should be able to bring knives to school.

QUESTION:

If you were in charge of a school district with the issues I explained above, what type of policy would you put in place? Why?
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That would require a whole new thread and not in general, by the time I got done I wouldn't need a policy..... If you get what I mean... ;)
 
BenchCo Spydermade said:
OK, and finally many of you who were able to carry knives, I'm happy for you. Nonetheless, my school is in a very bad neighborhood, poverty, gangs, all that jazz. I do not think my students should be able to bring a knife to school. That could turn a simple fight into a huge deal. I think things around here aren't the same culturally as where you are. I carried a knife with me when I was younger and in school. I knew I wasn't allowed to and understood why. While there are many fantastic students, there are also a lot of kids who are very mixed up. While the zero tolerance policies seem to be taken way out of proportion (really, a steak knife in a toolbox in the kids car!?) I still dont think kids should be able to bring knives to school.

QUESTION:

If you were in charge of a school district with the issues I explained above, what type of policy would you put in place? Why?
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This is why I say while the heart of zero tolerance is in the right place, it needs, desperately, to be restructured and looked at case by case. Perhaps where you teach, it's not a good idea to let the students have knives. But in other areas, not an issue.

This is why I keep going back to the social climate issue. "Back when" (and by the way I wasn't even born back then. ;) ) it didn't seem to be an issue in any area/district, the gun or knife thing. PEople will be people and I am certain we had the bad with the good kids just as we do now, but still, it was different. Even with your unsavory crowd, shooting up a school or going on a stabbing spree wasn't given a thought, even though it very much could have and would have been easier to do it.
 
I am a teacher at a rural high school and on any given day I see about half of the male students with knives clipped to their pockets. The rule is no knives, so as a teacher I don't carry one to set an example. When I began working their I would take them away from the kids, but they would just get them back at the end of the day so I stopped bothering.
 
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