Blade shapes for Filipino arts

sticknblade said:
Cyclone, nice website!! I've never heard of the Brana fighting system, though. What is in it?
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Thanks on the website.

The Brana Fighting Sytem is alot like JKD without all the Bruce wanted it to be like this and Bruce wanted it to be like that crap. It is comprised of Wing Chun, BJJ, Kali, Thai, and a few others. The reason I named it the "Brana Fighting System" is a dedication to my great-grandfather who lived in the Phillipines for 10 years and studied Filipino martial arts while he was there.

As for the Sayoc, I have only been in it for a short time (long enough that if I have a blade in my hand, someone is in deep trouble :) ) I have been into Filipino martial arts since I was 12 though. And JKD type martial arts since I was 4 years old.

Sifu Kevin
 
Hesparus said:
By the way. Since you guys helped me design it, you can name it if you like. And when it's finished you can decide if you like it enough to have your own names attached to it, as in "The '______' by Chris in collaboration with Sifu Cyclone and Roodog" or whatever.

- Chris
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Chris, no problem, always glad to be able to provide someone with some information. Ive gained so much knowledge from these forums, its nice to be able to share some of it with other members. Its what this site is all about. No need to give me any credit whatsoever. Tell, you what though, when you finish it share a picture and we will call it even.
 
We seem to have hit a small snag. I cut out a fiber board model of the knife and it doesn't work. Visually, the little bump at the top of the back of the handle hasn't really been sitting right with me and now that I've held it, I'm even less happy with it. I shaved off the bump and it both feels right and is easier to look at.
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And Roodog, it's not that I feel obliged to credit you with this design, I just like to give credit where it's due. Although the design is mine I couldn't have created it without your input. In any case, even if you don't want your name attached to it I'd still like to give you and cyclone the honor of naming the actual knife. Not just because you helped design it but because I don't know enough about sayoc to give it a proper name myself. So unless you are strongly against it, on this I insist.

- Chris
 
Herparus, The profile cut out looks visually stunning without than bump.
I have no problem with you using my name. I only feel that you are the knife maker and you deserve the credit for the creation of this knife. Its great to have a maker interested in creating a design specifically for this segment of the blade community. You should be commended for that.
 
Awesome looking knife Hesparus. I see it and immediatly think of a quality hunting/skinning knife. Which can be good in a legal defense. It looks like an all around utility blade. Not a "rambo" chainsaw.

Your previous knives have a great clean look to them. Nothing to really get hung up on clothing during a draw. Very task oriented and stable. Looking forward to see how this knofe come out.

Oh and for a name how about the Scooby Rooby Roo? Ok I'll be quite now. :D
 
Hello Everyone,

Some interesting points and knife designs. I think everyone should understand that in Sayoc Kali, there is no preference for any knife design, type or manufacturer. This would only limit a practitioners ability to use "any" item/blade etc., for personal protection. With so many types of edged weapons available either in a traditional carry method or in an improvised manner, everyone should be putting itnto their practice, training with a variety of lengths, straight, folders, balisongs, widths, handle types, improvised weapons etc., into their own practice as well.

If you have any more specific question on Sayoc Kali, please go to the Sayoc Kali forum, or ask here, and I'll do my best to help answer them.

Gumagalang
Guro Steve L.

www.Bujinkandojo.net
 
Itis good to see a Sayoc instructor posting inthis thread after that name has been rpeatedly mentioned here. Thanks for postingAiryu.
 
Hello StickNBlade,

I have been swamped with work lately and haven't been able to follow up on a lot of questions. But, my workload has slowed down some so I thought it would be a good idea to chime in.

I hope you are well!

Gumagalang
Guro Steve L.

www.Bujinkandojo.net
 
Mr. Lefebvre,

Thank you for your input. I understand your concern that designing a knife specifically for Sayoc Kali might be seen as limiting practicioners. However, I am not alone in the belief that those who carry any weapon for self defense should consistantly carry the same weapon so they can maximize its effectiveness through familiarity. Regarding my knife design, I don't think it would limit anything because there is nothing particularly different about this knife versus any other knife. The use of this knife should be no different than the use of any other knife. The things that do make it unique are intended merely to maximize its utility based on its intended style of use.
Take Rex Applegate or Mike Pick, for example. They are (were) both experts in their own styles of knife fighting. Being experts, they both designed knives to maximize their own styles. Neither of them would be limited by having a different blade in their hand but the effectiveness of their skills could be further increased by having a tool designed to aid them in what they do. The same is true with any specialty tool. For example, you could cut down a tree with a carpentry saw but you'd do better with a bow saw.
I should mention, however, that I know much less about fighting with knives than I do about making them. My beliefs are based more on my knowledge of the functional aspects of tools than my understanding of knife fighting (which is rather sparse). I'd like to hear more about your beliefs on this.

- Chris

p.s. I've been meaning to enroll in your school as soon as I get my money situation worked out. I hope to see you in the next couple of months.
 
Guru Steve L,

I agree 100% with you on the issue of training with varied types of knives and improvised weapon. I even run tapping drills and transition drills with pens, pencils, screwdrivers, flashlights and metal rulers.

I dont think any of us on this thread would argue in any way that Hesperus' design is the be all end all filipino knife design and all other knives are inferior. Its just IMHO what Id feel comfortable carring and has the features Id like in my prefered knife, meaning my primary EDC. I would in no way only train with of carry a knife of this design.

Rui
 
Roodog said:
Guru Steve L,

I dont think any of us on this thread would argue in any way that Hesperus' design is the be all end all filipino knife design and all other knives are inferior.
Rui
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That's for sure. Looks like one of many utility knives on the market already. I also don't think FMAs can be generalized. there are hundreds of fma styles, each with their own tastes. certainly a couple of guys with minimal knifetraining can't define a blade for guys who r much more experienced. :rolleyes:
 
No need to be so negative :( I think its good tohave people express their views and opinions. I'velearned alot from those guys. Thanks Roodog and Cyclone, keep it up.
 
Hello Guys,

Chris (Hesparus) - I look forward to seeing and training with you soon! On the training and EDC issue, the are definite merits to having both your trainer and EDC to be the same, familiarity with the feel, handle or grip, edge orientation, weight distribution, sheathing/hosltering position etc. I do this with any weapon I may carry, and often have trainers made up to simulate the weapon for EDC to practice on/with. But, there also is a flaw in this theory; that is familiarity also breeds contempt. Here is a shooting example: If I only shoot a Glock, what happens when I have to shoot a Colt? Am I familiar with how it operates? What about the safety? Grip and weight distribution etc. In the realm of an edged weapon, how many of us actually practice throwing a normally carried weapon? Many people become so emotionally/psychologically attached to their one "tool" that they have difficulty adapting to a combat situation under stress. As an example, most Elite military or Law Enforcement groups have a particular carry weapon, that is shared with all members of the group, this allows members to share ammunition, or even weapons if needed, but they are also pushed outside of their comfort zone to learn other weapons uses, strengths and weaknesses.

This is the underlying theory, "push ourselves outside of our comfort zone."Become familiar with many theories, as well as actual practice, and do it with a non cooperative opponent/partner. If we look at Col. Applegate's development and blade design, he chose a design to enhance the ability of the soldier carrying his weapon on the battlefield. Fixed blade, double edged etc., later he modified it to be a folder with a false edge for EDC use for civilian carry. Yet, he also worked on the Smatchet, various shooting methods and empty hand techniques as well. Always pushing himself outside of his comfort zones to improve his skills or tools.

As for your blade design, still a very nice blade, keep up the great work!

Gumagalang
Guro Steve L.

www.Bujinkandojo.net
 
Mr. Lefebvre,
I think we might agree after all. I still advocate training with all kinds of knives - the one I designed is just one for carry. I also don't want to give the impression that this knife is to be THE knife for FMA, just A knife for FMA. Everybody, of course, has their own specifications - that is the point of having a custom knife made. As for this one, I saw a hole both in the general market and in my own line of knives and I wanted to fill it with a general design to start with. Nothing would make me happier than to design a different knife for everyone who wanted one but it just doesn't work out that way.

- Chris

p.s. And this knife does push me outside of my comfort zone, as I've never done a recurve blade before.
 
Hay man,

I saw allot of "La griffe" looking blades being carried when i was out there my self, but my view of the Philipino arts and blades before that was karambits and jimboks, this is not the case it would seem !!

take care ;)
 
As promised, here's a picture of the knife in progress. This is not the exact knife we designed because I didn't have a piece of steel that big. I had to shorten it a bit and change the design of the handle consiterably. I am quite pleased with the result, though. It is just under 7" overall with a 3-4/8" blade. The handle is comfortable and secure in many different positions and has grips carved almost all the way around the handle. It is not finished yet but all of the grinding and shaping is done so the only difference between the picture and the final product will be in shinyness.
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The steel is 154cm and the handle is canvas micarta.

- Chris
 
Glad you got back on this project. Id cooresponded with you on SDF before it imploded and you said it was on the backburner. Nice looking knife.
 
blade shorter than the handle (4" max)
single edge, no false edge, may be a drop point or clipped bowie
handle must allow four holds: fencer, snapping twine (edge upwards), hammer edge inwards, hammer edge outwards.
 
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