Blade Steel wikipedia article

Personally I think Nomad did a great job on this. There is always a starting point and improvements spring from that. As for your opinion about S60V, there are quite a few errors in your comment.
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Wikipedia pages are editable by other members. If you guys want to help Nomad333, just register and do edits - it's very simple! :)

Wiki pages are constantly in a state of undergoing improvement.

PS: I should add that I registered at Wikipedia years ago and edit whatever I care to or add links to articles that I write on my blogs or websites. They bring a lot of traffic as Wiki pages are highly regarded. Less so recently but still they come up high in search results. It's 100% painless and takes about 2 or 3 minutes to do it. :)
 
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Maybe post some more information on how a steel is named? Example would be on the 10xx carbon steels, just a little blurb that says that the numbers mean carbon content and such.

If we all pitch in and help edit the page, we could make it very impressive.
 
Steel naming is much more complicated issue. I have 1600 names for 466 steels.
D2 for example goes around with over 40 names and W1 is close.

I agree we should all pitch in, but if we loose members like Larrin form the project it's no good for the project.
 
Great initiative!

By experience, I haven't found out that CPM3V steel is susceptible to 'pitting'.

And what about N690 steel, it is not a very common one, but Extrema Ratio knives are using it.
 
I can't contribute to the project as I have little knowledge compared to any of you guys but I think if you guys can join together and create a collaborative effort the page could be a great reference and informative.
If you have knowledge feel free to contribute please because for people like me, once you get into the odd steels I have no knowledge of them so a reference would be very nice.
 
I am sure more metals will work their way in there over time.
I think there should be a link for each steel with heat treating instructions. Heat treating for steels can be a little harder to find I think and I believe this could be a great resource to beginning makers.
Aside from that I think that beginner knife enthusiasts will find the steel descriptions handy.
 
I think this could be a tremendously useful resource. In fact a link to the page should be stickied at the top of this area in particular.
 
First: Excellent start! Something that is very handy, and can easily turn into a great resource.

Second: There are articles on knives and knife-related terms. Be sure to add links to this article from those, so it's not a black hole.

Third: A lot of criticism and "edit war" material is going to come from your subjective comments on knife steels. Any time you say that X is better than Y, someone is going to have a problem with it. What might be better is some text discussing the terms used in describing blade steels (hardness, toughness, corrosion resistance, etc) and how various blades are tradeoffs among those various factors.

Heck... I just looked at Joe Talmadge's knife steel page.... just write him and ask if you can copy that! :)
 
Thanks was very informative.

firs line though I'd at least add "swords" to knife category.

Matter of fact I'd change

"Blade steel refers to the type of steel that is used to make a knife"

to:

"Blade steel refers to the type of steel that is used to make an edged weapon/tool/utensil"
 
Larrin said:
I'm sorry guys, I won't try to help anymore. My comments were too negative. I have to remember the rule of 10 positives for every negative. I wish you the best of luck on your wiki project. :thumbup:
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Your comments weren't negative, they were objective criticisms. In other words, they should be appreciated.
Never a good idea to stop helping. :D
 
thanks nomad333 for the good general classification of the most common alloys. this fills a niche to aid newer members to whom steels are confusing. we need to understand many people are'nt into rockwell hardness, trace elements, corrosion resit, & abrasion endurance. while i really like gators steel chart newbies to our game might be mystified by the comparison charts.
 
1) I've removed the statement about S60V being step above over S30V. Also added a note that CPM S60V was discontinued. Corrected reference to Spyderco, i.e. they used to make S60V knives, but not in the present, added Kershaw Knives in the same sentence, since they also made S60V knives.
Actually that brings up the question, is it really necessary to have discontinued steels in that article?

2) Changed comment to ceramics, at best it holds ok edge on soft materials. Anything a little harder and it chips like hell, these days Kyocera at least warns against the use of ceramics on harsh mediums.

3) 5160 steel is not proprietary and actually it is a family of 51xx steels, I had reports on 4 of them used in knives 5140, 5150, 5160, 5180 steel compositions.
As such it needs to be moved out of proprietary steels.
Also, technically and practically 5160 and the whole family belongs to "Alloy Steels", not Carbon, well depends what we call carbon steel, if anything non stainless then ok, but that's not the correct definition.
 
Nice job Gator97! :thumbup:

If I knew a darn thing about blade steels I'd try & add something myself. Anyone can edit - add/subtract - and make this the best page possible.

nomad333 built the page with help as he stated, but you experts can make it something special.

If you have something 100% accurate and relevant to the page to add, you should add it yourself or post it here for nomad333 or one of us who belongs to Wikipedia, to put on the page. :)
 
philwar said:
Your comments weren't negative, they were objective criticisms. In other words, they should be appreciated.
Never a good idea to stop helping. :D
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Absolutely agree on both. Criticism, at least so far was strictly constructive and there is no reason to get upset over that.

P.S. In general, if you think there is an error, please be specific what is the error in your opinion instead of just stating there's something wrong and leaving at that.
 
Thanks, but for now I want to leave heat treating out, as most people (my self included) don't know enough about it to care or to understand it.
I'm want to include some discontinued steels (S60V), because they did help with advancement of newer ones.
By all means, if you have a good source, add the info and cite it!
 
More on edits:

1) Removed references to Vanadium in CPM 154 section. The reason is that Crucible doesn't list it in the data sheet, and Vanadium doesn't affect stain resistance abilities of the steel in general. Check the alloying elements section in the steel FAQ for example.
It is true, I myself list Vanadium in CPM 154, however I make a note that it's not listed in Crucible specs and that info was provided to me as an 'insider information", so I'm not sure it is usable on Wikipedia.
Also, added reference to CPM Process.

2) Added external links section. For now all 3 links refer to general steel composition sources, but if you have other resources related to knife blade steel, add them there.

3) Moved 5160 out to its own section.
 
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i'm in favor of keeping even the discontinued alloys listed. many of us may get an older knife & wonder what the alloy consists of
 
Yeah, but the article isn't listing compositions anyway.

And come to think of it, the sentence Carbon steel is a popular choice for rough use knives. Carbon steel tends to be much tougher and much more durable than stainless steel. However, sharpening carbon steel knives tends to be tougher than stainless steel knives. They lack the chromium content of stainless steel, making them susceptible to corrosion.

Also needs to be revised. There's plenty of folders, kitchen knives, light use fixed blade knives made out of plain carbon steels. General consensus here is that carbon steels are easier to sharpen, at least not harder. Besides w/o specifying which steels in particular are being compared it's pretty generic.
 
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Gator97 said:
Yeah, but the article isn't listing compositions anyway.

And come to think of it, the sentence Carbon steel is a popular choice for rough use knives. Carbon steel tends to be much tougher and much more durable than stainless steel. However, sharpening carbon steel knives tends to be tougher than stainless steel knives. They lack the chromium content of stainless steel, making them susceptible to corrosion.

Also needs to be revised. There's plenty of folders, kitchen knives, light use fixed blade knives made out of plain carbon steels. General consensus here is that carbon steels are easier to sharpen, at least not harder. Besides w/o specifying which steels in particular are being compared it's pretty generic.
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Well I've seen more folders and such made of stainless, but I trust you.
However, outside of here, I've heard that carbon is harder to resharpen, but we could change it.


Be happy its like it is now, not much different than the original draft I did by myself, but soon after a lot of help came (plus I had more time to do it)!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Halofanatic333/Blade_Steel_draft#Stainless_Steel for the original
 
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