The first looks a lot like one of the purple smoke "protos" that TW posted quite a while back in the "Show me your Blur" thread. Still can't figure out why dealers didn't jump all over those ones??
TW said red tantos were for the big "A" but I've never seen them there and never seen anything other than the blems Dave picked up. If they went to the big "A", either they have them sitting in a warehouse somewhere or they never made it there because someone somewhere would have posted a picture by now. Never heard ANYTHING of those till Dave showed up with the blems.