BM = WHY NOT ????go LARGE or go home

338375 said:
Benchmade typically appeals to a different segment with some of their offerings. This will ruffle feathers, but CS attract the Mall Ninja crowd, and for some weird reason they think the bigger the knife is, the better. That is not the case with all of their knives though. They make some great products that are reasonably priced. Of course I will make a wild guess that most of those huge knives never get used, or even leave the basement of their parents home...

When you get to that size of a folder, there really is no benefit to carrying a folder. You might as well carry a fixed knife knife that will be stronger and easier to deploy.
We all have different tastes in knives, as well as particular sizes we like. That said, when I see people carrying huge folders, and using a 14 inch long fixed blade knife for hunting, I can't help but think perhaps some education on how to properly use a knife would be more beneficial than a huge knife that is cumbersome to use and carry.

YMMV

Tooling is very expensive, and it would take quite a demand for a company to warrant the initial expense.
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Agree on the CS thing. CS seems to go in the direction of the Nutnfancy carry knives as weapons first, tools second crowd. Benchmade probably doesn't want to be that kind of company, and they probably have a good idea what's going to make them money.
 
We all know that BKC has agreement and have a lot of business with LEO and Military/federal government supply. So, I don't expect BKC to be selling this thin slice of a market anytime soon.

I am good with Adamas and Contego. (AFCK and Onslaught stays home as they are no longer in production.)
 
We all know that BKC has agreement and have a lot of business with LEO and Military/federal government supply. So, I don't expect BKC to be selling this thin slice of a market anytime soon.

I am good with Adamas and Contego. (AFCK and Onslaught stays home as they are no longer in production.)
 
AND = I have 2 of them and they are NOT Benchmades and not as well made nor as sturdy as a BM ,imnsho .
 
Maybe BMs free cash is limited so they focus it on what they do best , where they have a higher profit margin, instead of venturing into different areas. Core competency or whatever that's called in business school. Might also think that mall ninja looking knives (even if they arent) would harm their brand image which could translate into less profit down the road.
 
I think there are a lot of variables here. Many subjective and then there's intended use and practicality.

I think the The BM Skirmish at 4.30" and the Rukus at 4.25" are two outstanding examples of what BM is capable of producing in the 'larger size blade" category. Exceptionally well executed, well thought out designs that are now highly desired classics. The Bob Lum designed Onslaught is also in my opinion very well executed and a fine example of a larger sized blade done right.

I owned the LFK that had a 5.20" blade and regarded it as a novelty. The execution was terrible IMO, not because of the blade size but overall design. When opened you had this huge blade with this stubby little handle and it just didn't feel right. Blade heavy and weird. Not to mention the liner lock on it seemed inadequate "flimsy" to me but that's just my opinion. I gave that one away but now kinda whish I kept it but only for collectors sake.

Others have mentioned Cold Steel and I have to agree some of their designs are over the top. However, the XL Voyagers with 5.5" blades carry surprisingly well for the size and no doubt are strong knives. great for camping and outdoors use and also the Hold Out series, the HOI at 6" is surprisingly light for it's size but no doubt you are very aware of it in pocket. I don't see it as a realistic EDC unless your intend use is SD but I don't really want to go there. Butt hey, different strokes for different folks right?

I'm very happy for the most part with Benchmades offering's but also would like to see some more options in the 4" maybe slightly larger range and I'm sure they could pull it off nicely as they have with the AFCK, TSEK, Ruckus,Skirmish, and now the Contego which is what I EDC these day's. All standout's and exceptional knives.
 
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When I;m looking at my 810, it feels to me like the blade is getting quite heavy for the AXIS lock (I guess I'd find a larger blade to be too heavy for me feeling good with it - the way it slides open compared with force it takes to pull back the AXIS bar). Now that lock is not beefed up like it is on the Adamas, but I'm guessing that "just scaling it up" may be harder or even really difficult than it often seems at first. It's still a 3-dimensional thing and the 2nd and 3rd often show surprising effects...
 
s_f said:
When I;m looking at my 810, it feels to me like the blade is getting quite heavy for the AXIS lock (I guess I'd find a larger blade to be too heavy for me feeling good with it - the way it slides open compared with force it takes to pull back the AXIS bar). Now that lock is not beefed up like it is on the Adamas, but I'm guessing that "just scaling it up" may be harder or even really difficult than it often seems at first. It's still a 3-dimensional thing and the 2nd and 3rd often show surprising effects...
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Not beefed up like the Adamas but very strong though.

Check this out from BKC :

http://benchmadeforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/356008908001/m/565008978001
 
338375 said:
Benchmade typically appeals to a different segment with some of their offerings. This will ruffle feathers, but CS attract the Mall Ninja crowd
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So would Benchmade with their "Black Class" of knives aimed at military and law enforcement.
You're engaging in brand fandom, not logic. ;)
 
Kind of. But BM black is aimed at the real military (even if 90% or more customers arent) while CS is aimed at the mall ninja force. Of course there'll be a few mall ninjas with BM and a few real service men with CS. But on average BM seems to be the more serious brand. Of course they could spoil that image by releasing zombie killers and Taliban take down knives.


stabman said:
So would Benchmade with their "Black Class" of knives aimed at military and law enforcement.
You're engaging in brand fandom, not logic. ;)
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I'm sure it is internal information, but BKC is well known in LEO and armed forces and they do supply them. I don't think it is 90% of sold products are for civilian. It may be a lot lower.
 
I am NOT trying to get in a urinating contest with any on the BM forum.

I just wished that BM would make a blade that I really believe would sell,for good reason and to good use.

I was LEO,and have MANY friends in the service that would buy ,carry AND use a large BM.

In fact I would buy a few to send them !!!!.

I see BM's as a better and sturdier than CS or DDR's.
 
I'd buy a bigger blade than the 710 or 810, if they were made by Benchmade, IF AND ONLY IF it was also a good cutter/slicer. Already have both of those, and two of the Adamas. What can I say? I LIKE large folders. No, they're not for fighting. Just for using.
 
rockspyder said:
I'd buy a bigger blade than the 710 or 810, if they were made by Benchmade, IF AND ONLY IF it was also a good cutter/slicer. Already have both of those, and two of the Adamas. What can I say? I LIKE large folders. No, they're not for fighting. Just for using.
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I pray that none of y'all are EVER in a shtf scenario and need to use a blade.

BUT should that occur , I am sure you will NOT pray for a smaller blade.

Anymore than a shtf moment ---- praying for less ammunition or a smaller gun.

Leastwise that has been my experience = so far,I will change my tune if there is cause.

And I REALLY do wish for a BM on the larger side as they are STURDY and I would bet my 1* on one if needed.
 
stabman said:
So would Benchmade with their "Black Class" of knives aimed at military and law enforcement.
You're engaging in brand fandom, not logic. ;)
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No, not at all. I like some of Cold Steels knives, have owned a fair number of them, still own a couple and have never bad mouthed their products because I have never had an issue. Their advertising leaves a lot to be desired IMO though. I think that and the fact that their products are priced in a range that most can afford, is what draws the Mall Ninja crowd.
The Black Class covers a wide range, and some that I would not normally think of as being LEO/Military focused.

bomber258 said:
I pray that none of y'all are EVER in a shtf scenario and need to use a blade.

BUT should that occur , I am sure you will NOT pray for a smaller blade.

Anymore than a shtf moment ---- praying for less ammunition or a smaller gun.

Leastwise that has been my experience = so far,I will change my tune if there is cause.

And I REALLY do wish for a BM on the larger side as they are STURDY and I would bet my 1* on one if needed.
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There is nothing wrong with wanting a big knife if that is what you prefer, but in all seriousness how big a knife does a person need in a " shtf " or " survival " situation ?
If a person is preparing for those situations, I would want a knife that has less chance of breaking, so I would rather rely on a fixed blade knife.

Nothing wrong with being prepared for the worst, but over the years I have been on BF's, there are never ending threads asking what is the best survival knife ?
I don't have exact numbers, but I will take a guess that at least 90% of these people will never leave the city, and have never even spent time in the woods.

Personally, if you have a very specific idea of what you would like to see BM make, I would contact them directly.
 
What do you want to be standing with when society burns to the ground like a lighter fluid soaked roll of toilet paper near an open flame!?!?

What good is the fixed blade at home in your survival bag or the practical 3" EDC blade in your pocket when it all comes crumbling down!?

Grab what's on you NOW and tell me if you're ready for the zOmbIE hoard!!..?

That's why you need to get serious and take your carry to the next level with EDSHTFC (Everday Sh*t Hits The Fan Carry)...!

:confused::eek::D
 
For blade 4"+- I think 810 is the longest AXIS locked production folding blade. (Yeah, Adamas may be thicker, but shorter). Again, by looking at BKC production line, they are moving away from 4"+ blade. We can all speculate, but it seems unlikely to have longer blade IMO.

Contego 810 3.98" blade 5.30" closed
Adamas 275 3.82" blade 4.88" closed

Discontinued:
Onslaught 741 4.28" blade 5.47" closed
Rukus 610 4.25"blade 5.95" closed

(Non-AXIS lock)
Skirmish 630 4.30" blade Closed 5.50"
LFTi 760 4.00" blade closed 5.00"

Bali-song 43-401 4.25 blade 5.20" closed

* (Needs sheath. Not a full folder, but a hybrid.)
LFK 10100 5.20" blade 6.70" closed
Salmon River fillet 10110S 7.09" blade 5.52" closed
Salmon Creek Fillet 10115 5.57" blade 7.00" closed
 
Redmasta said:
What do you want to be standing with when society burns to the ground like a lighter fluid soaked roll of toilet paper near an open flame!?!?

What good is the fixed blade at home in your survival bag or the practical 3" EDC blade in your pocket when it all comes crumbling down!?
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LOL :thumbup:
 
You want BM to change their marketing structure to suit your needs? And you think CS makes useful large knives? Then buy CS knives.

Sounds like you are bored. Benchmade makes quality knives. I too have an original AFCK, a new Contego, several 710s. They, IMO, Are great knives.

Darryl Ralph is more fantasy/movie style knives. For show. Or for a prop. Or for some, a safe queen. Though I think they are kind of gaudy looking and from experience, 5.5 inche DRD knives are flimsy.

Go quality or go home... And do you look like a rock star? If not large gaudy knives just don't look right.

Enjoy your time with your knives.
 
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