Body weight and weight lifting BP challenge interest

This was pushing 1RM. On my second set, I was already needing to take short breaks between reps.

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That's a pistol squat with a 72# kettlebell. Wibbly wobbly.

(EDIT: I tried to hit a 3rd rep in another angle for a better video, but I couldn't get off my butt (literally) and I had to set the kettlebell down.)
(EDIT 2: I consider 2RM anything that fails at completing #3, and if it fails at 2 I take a brief rest to shake it out, and then do another rep to get my second rep of the set)

I would have comfortably done 1RM at about 90%, but because I wanted more points, I pushed for 2. The challenge doubled my workout. And that, I think, is what this challenge is all about.
 
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Thanks, TT. I think I see the issue, and that's that max lifting the way I learned it back in the day from my coaches isn't at all the same as what you're talking about. Probably means they're ignorant BUT it's also the way I generally see people doing a max lift. They work their way up until they can't lift any more and call it good after that. Every time I've done it, it's been a much less tiring workout than my norm. And, you can get max INTENSITY without max weight. From what you said, it's more about pushing to failure point. I do that with every set anyways, regardless of weight. I don't see a sprint as being even remotely the same as a heavy single lift. I don't see how slowly struggling to push a weight up once engages fast twitch fibers (although I could be wrong). In contrast, the fast-up slow-down style of lifting does engage both fast and slow twitch fibers, and doesn't require maximal lifting. Seems like maximal lifting in the style you're talking about is a rather more advanced lifting technique than most people know how to use, and, if that's the case, should be rethought for this challenge.
 
Thanks, TT. I think I see the issue, and that's that max lifting the way I learned it back in the day from my coaches isn't at all the same as what you're talking about. Probably means they're ignorant BUT it's also the way I generally see people doing a max lift. They work their way up until they can't lift any more and call it good after that. Every time I've done it, it's been a much less tiring workout than my norm. And, you can get max INTENSITY without max weight. From what you said, it's more about pushing to failure point. I do that with every set anyways, regardless of weight. I don't see a sprint as being even remotely the same as a heavy single lift. I don't see how slowly struggling to push a weight up once engages fast twitch fibers (although I could be wrong). In contrast, the fast-up slow-down style of lifting does engage both fast and slow twitch fibers, and doesn't require maximal lifting. Seems like maximal lifting in the style you're talking about is a rather more advanced lifting technique than most people know how to use, and, if that's the case, should be rethought for this challenge.

I think we better clarify in the points system for the categories in the description:

1) weight should be heavy enough for failure @ the end of the range, ie medium should consistently fail at MOST at 14, otherwise it's a light set
2) warm up sets for a heavier set do not count AS a heavier set.

2 reps 100#
2 reps 120#
2 reps 140#
2 reps 160#
2 reps 200#

is not the same as

2 reps 200#
2 reps 200#
2 reps 200#
2 reps 200#
2 reps 200#

in terms of weight categories. It would be appropriately categorized as:

2 reps 100# light
2 reps 120# light
2 reps 140# medium
2 reps 160# heavy
2 reps 200# maximal/ very heavy

vs

2 reps 200# maximal/ very heavy
2 reps 200# maximal/ very heavy
2 reps 200# maximal/ very heavy
2 reps 200# maximal/ very heavy
2 reps 200# maximal/ very heavy

(using arbitrary numbers here just to show my point)
 
Oh, that wasn't my point. My point is that the aforementioned is how many people go about "maxing." I'm well aware that the lighter sets wouldn't count as a "max" set.
 
Today I did a routine which totaled 274 reps. I will call 88 light and 186 reps medium. I came up with 4.6 bp'sfor the whole thing. Hope that is correct.
 
Today I did a routine which totaled 274 reps. I will call 88 light and 186 reps medium. I came up with 4.6 bp'sfor the whole thing. Hope that is correct.

That's perfect, CD. A couple of questions to help us figure out what our point goal should be:

Is that a typical workout?
How often would you do a typical workout?
 
That's perfect, CD. A couple of questions to help us figure out what our point goal should be:

Is that a typical workout?
How often would you do a typical workout?

Great - this is an entirely new routine for me (Joe Manganiello's book Evolution). High reps and sets with low weights. I hope it will become routine and will try to do a workout like today's three days a week with the other two days being purely aerobic. Have to see how it goes though.

CD
 
Today's workout
Power clean and press 3 sets 12
Straight bar curls 3 set 10
Weighted sit-ups 3 sets 12
Shoulder shrugs dumbbell 3 set 12

Flat bench fly 3 set 12
Skull crushers 3set 10
Side weighted crunches 3 set 12
Shoulder row 3 set 12

Lat pull down 3 set 12
Weighted lunges 3 12
Weighted incline side to side abs 3 set 12
Bar shrugs 3 set 12

420/50=8.4
50 mins
 
Kettlebell circuit with the 44#

516 light reps
136 medium reps

7.88 points @ ~35 minutes
 
Thanks, TT. I think I see the issue, and that's that max lifting the way I learned it back in the day from my coaches isn't at all the same as what you're talking about. Probably means they're ignorant BUT it's also the way I generally see people doing a max lift. They work their way up until they can't lift any more and call it good after that. Every time I've done it, it's been a much less tiring workout than my norm. And, you can get max INTENSITY without max weight. From what you said, it's more about pushing to failure point. I do that with every set anyways, regardless of weight. I don't see a sprint as being even remotely the same as a heavy single lift. I don't see how slowly struggling to push a weight up once engages fast twitch fibers (although I could be wrong). In contrast, the fast-up slow-down style of lifting does engage both fast and slow twitch fibers, and doesn't require maximal lifting. Seems like maximal lifting in the style you're talking about is a rather more advanced lifting technique than most people know how to use, and, if that's the case, should be rethought for this challenge.

You're welcome, crimson. In fact, your coaches' method was more-or-less what I was talking about, but there are other ways to do high-weight workouts, as well. You're right that max-lift workouts are often less tiring; that's generally because people will only do a single max-effort lift, then end the workout afterwards, like doing five warm-up sets, then a single max, then done for the day. Six sets for a workout is minimal.

One thing that's tripping us up is terminology and definitions. Generally, 'intensity' refers to the amount of weight lifted/how close to a 1RM someone lifts. Pushing to failure can happen at any weight - Bob maxes bench at 315, and he fails when benching just the bar (45 pounds) after 184 reps. Both cause him to fail; one counts as a max set, the other as a light set.

In fact, a single max rep (or two) engage the fast-twitch fibers, just like an all-out effort sprint. The max-effort lift, though, doesn't use other systems, like the cardiovascular system as much, so the sprint is harder. From a muscle-fiber standpoint though, both forms of maximal effort engage the same muscle fibers.

Studies have found it's also possible to use the brain to recruit the fast-twitch fibers. Researchers hooked up lifters who were using medium-effort weights to instruments and instructed one group to do the reps as they usually would, expecting to get 8-10 reps. That group recruited more slow-twitch fibers. The other group was told to imagine they were lifting a car and to put ALL possible effort into each rep. Those lifters actually engaged more muscle fibers than the first lifters, simply because of how they thought about the reps. A muscle fiber contracts when it receives an electrical impulse in the fiber's controlling nerve. The body has mechanisms that actually resist causing muscle fibers to fire, thereby limiting the force produced and the possibility of subsequent injury. Lifting max weight or near-max somewhat frequently causes the body to overcome this natural resistance. It appears that thinking one is doing a max lift has a similar, albeit diminished, effect!
 
I think we better clarify in the points system for the categories in the description:

1) weight should be heavy enough for failure @ the end of the range, ie medium should consistently fail at MOST at 14, otherwise it's a light set
2) warm up sets for a heavier set do not count AS a heavier set.

2 reps 100#
2 reps 120#
2 reps 140#
2 reps 160#
2 reps 200#

is not the same as

2 reps 200#
2 reps 200#
2 reps 200#
2 reps 200#
2 reps 200#

in terms of weight categories. It would be appropriately categorized as:

2 reps 100# light
2 reps 120# light
2 reps 140# medium
2 reps 160# heavy
2 reps 200# maximal/ very heavy

vs

2 reps 200# maximal/ very heavy
2 reps 200# maximal/ very heavy
2 reps 200# maximal/ very heavy
2 reps 200# maximal/ very heavy
2 reps 200# maximal/ very heavy

(using arbitrary numbers here just to show my point)

Assuming the 200 pounds is a maximal weight, then this is exactly correct. Of course, the 2 reps @ 200# for five sets would require a lengthy rest between each set, otherwise the lifter would be failing after the second set or so.
 
Today was delts and biceps. 294 total reps, 66 medium and 228 light. 3.6 BP's. Arms like noodles now. :thumbup:
 
Lets see...50 Bent Arm Lat Raises (just made that up :-)) with light to medium weight. Snow shovel full of snow!

That would be half a Becker Point right???? Just kidding.
 
Did 250 medium reps yesterday (5 sets of bench, curls, center chest, quads, and shoulders) for 5 BP before work.
 
Went to the gym to mix things up, 200 reps for 4 points. Been a while since I barbell squated, it was challenging to do 8 at a weight at which I used to knock out 12.
 
Did my regular circuit of weights and steps with a few extra machines after the circuit is done..

10 stations 12 reps each = 120 reps at medium level = 2.4 points
delt/fly/back extensions/abdominal twist (X2, 1 set each side)/abductor/aductor = 7 stations at 12 reps each = 84 reps at medium weight = 1.6 points

Total points = 4 (if I read everything right)

This is my workout 3 days a week, I usually only do cardio related work on the other 3 days.. so I would have 12 points a week normally.
 
Chest/ Back supersets: 144 medium reps
bi/ tri supersets: 80 medium reps

4.48 points
 
After doing a squat workout recently, I have a question about the point system - how do we score warm-up sets?

For instance, one of my first squat sets was with 95 pounds for 10 reps. That weight falls into the 'light' category for me, because I can squat 95 pounds 15 or more times. However, it was only a warm-up set so, not wanting to zap energy before the workout weights, I only did 10 reps. If my understanding of the point system is correct, I receive no points for that set because I did not do at least 15 reps with a weight that falls into the 'light' category. Is that correct?

Another way to score this would achieve more points. I could take all my sets that fall into the 'light' category - 45 pounds, 95 pounds, and 125 pounds, and the reps of those three sets, then see if they total enough reps for a 'light set' point. This manner of accounting would likely yield more points than a set-by-set analysis. What say ye?
 
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Flat bench 4 12
Barbel curls 4 12
Standing Shoulder press 3 12
Squats 3 12
Skull crusher 3 12
Back row wide grip 3 12
Tricep rope extensions 3 12
Back row close grip 3 12
Tricep cable single grip 3 12
Cable curls 3 12
 
Is that correct??

No, just tally up all the reps completed at the end of the workout. If you did:

10 light reps
12 light reps
14 light reps

as a warmup, you'd still get credit for 36 light reps total for those warmup sets, for a total of 0.36 points for those 3 sets.
 
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