Boker/Carothers collaboration coming soon?

So what the story on the heat treatment on these? Says powder metal that is VG10 equivalent so are we getting something run for edge retention or toughness? I have 2 Carothers knives and both are exceptional in heat treat, fit and finish. I don't have much faith in Boker Plus will hit the heat treat which would ruin this knife for me. The fact they went with some odd ball steel for China actually pushes me away. I think of VG10 as more of a Japanese/Taiwan knife maker product and picky about what manufacturer I buy from when getting into certain steels. I don't put VG10 into hard to heat treat but its definitely in the brittle zone when used in kitchen knives.

My last Boker Plus that said made in Asia was Bob Terzuola Tac Master. Boker did a fantastic job grinding the blade, contoured, beveled, excellent lines! The 100% lock up and near impossible to flip flipper tab was the out of the box was a key indicator of the quality. I though well lets give it a go and rolled the factory edge cutting some sticks to throw in my green waste can. Not sure if these collaborators get to test the final product, I did notice Bob took the video of him with the knife down a few days latter.
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This is hard to pass up as I really enjoy my other Carothers' products. I just sit here and see red flags as Boker doesn't consistently use the same OEM for the Boker Plus line.
 
^ You're not really the target audience for this knife from them.

One of my inspirations for making stainless steel combat knives came from the fact that actual active duty military and law enforcement frequently carry some of the crumbiest knives.

They want stainless steel.

These folks are gear nuts but not knife nuts.

Recently saw where a tier 1 used an old K-Bar in a knife kill.

That is not a very good knife. Lots of better alternatives would have served him better.

They want stainless steel, and they don't want to spend 200 bucks.

The collaboration UF will serve someone well.

This collaboration served its purpose of exposing my brand to new people and getting my design into the hands of more people who would benefit from it. But those people don't tend to be folks on knife forums.
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
^ You're not really the target audience for this knife from them.

One of my inspirations for making stainless steel combat knives came from the fact that actual active duty military and law enforcement frequently carry some of the crumbiest knives.

They want stainless steel.

These folks are gear nuts but not knife nuts.

Recently saw where a tier 1 used an old K-Bar in a knife kill.

That is not a very good knife. Lots of better alternatives would have served him better.

They want stainless steel, and they don't want to spend 200 bucks.

The collaboration UF will serve someone well.

This collaboration served its purpose of exposing my brand to new people and getting my design into the hands of more people who would benefit from it. But those people don't tend to be folks on knife forums.
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Having been in the military and in combat arms, there's a reason why stainless is a good option. There isn't enough hours in the day to do everything you need to do. Maintaining my primary weapon (carbine, rifle, MG, whatever) is first on the list. Way down on the list of priorities is maintaining a knife.
 
Wow that is great!

It is a CPK knife minus the 3V steel and associated heat treatment, fit and finish and grind accuracy :)

But nevertheless it is CPK (look alike) knife!

if we focus on performance to price ratio, I do not think this a good buy since it lacks all the elements making it a high performance knife. Even though it costs half the original, I do not think it will perform half as good. That being said, if they manage to make a decent knife out of this excellent design, i think it will worth buying. Not many people can afford CPK or have the skills/knowledge to get one.
 
murat1983 said:
Wow that is great!

It is a CPK knife minus the 3V steel and associated heat treatment, fit and finish and grind accuracy :)

But nevertheless it is CPK (look alike) knife!

if we focus on performance to price ratio, I do not think this a good buy since it lacks all the elements making it a high performance knife. Even though it costs half the original, I do not think it will perform half as good. That being said, if they manage to make a decent knife out of this excellent design, i think it will worth buying. Not many people can afford CPK or have the skills/knowledge to get one.
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I completely understand where you’re coming from and with the points stated. There’s no doubt that it won’t perform as well as the UF but like you mentioned cost/value ratio. I think it will make a decent working tool despite the steel used.
 
murat1983 said:
It is a CPK knife minus the 3V steel and associated heat treatment, fit and finish and grind accuracy :)

But nevertheless it is CPK (look alike) knife!
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Nate was willing to put his name on it so I’m betting it will surpass this lowball judgement seeing how it’s not even in anyone’s hands yet to know the fit and finish, grind accuracy or any other metric, unless of course you’ve seen one and can provide some good pics, it looks pretty damn nice in post 116 to me! CPK as a whole has pretty high standards and I can’t see this being some sort of plain jane look alike as you’re alluding to it being.
 
Service members frequently carry the absolute shittiest knives. They are gearheads but they are not necessarily knife nuts and a lot of them just don't know any better.

Here is a well-designed tactical knife with decent execution that is affordable and easy to obtain. Is it a CPK? Not really. But I can about guarantee you it's going to be a better knife than what most of them are carrying.
 
I have been testing and evaluating some popular commercially available kukri and it is striking the extent to which the knife designers don't understand blade geometry and center of percussion. Despite their apparent popularity, some of these are really bad. One of these has the center of percussion sweet spot in the concave part of the blade that absolutely sucks for chopping. Did nobody ever think to test these before producing them?
 
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