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Probably good for reasonbly sounding paople like yourself that I am not President of the United States, mostly because my answer to your reasonble proposal (just like all the other reasonble sounding solutions--the road to hell is paved with good intensions.) Would be F no!! They ALL need to leave.....bring the troops home that are stationed all over the world protecting foreign borders and have them G DAMNED PROTECT OURS!!!!
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I think the Visa system is broken and I think there should be a more expedited way for the good folks to migrate to this country. But the first thing that has to happen before anything else is the shut down the border to illegal crossings by any and all means possible. Just my opinion.
I do no agree with allowing a criminal to pay anyone (coyote, government, or otherwise) for the "right" to break the law. So my solution is 1) to cut off ALL social programs to anyone here illegally, 2) completely shut down the border to illegal immigration using whatever means necessary, and then 3) reform the Visa process quickly to allow those who are honest folks a much easier and quicker access to coming into this country.
I do no agree with allowing a criminal to pay anyone (coyote, government, or otherwise) for the "right" to break the law. So my solution is 1) to cut off ALL social programs to anyone here illegally, 2) completely shut down the border to illegal immigration using whatever means necessary, and then 3) reform the Visa process quickly to allow those who are honest folks a much easier and quicker access to coming into this country.
gcgcgc, you mentioned allowing potential illegals to pay to come into this country. So if I understand you correctly, you are proposing a change to our current visa system in which folks wanting to come into this country lend the government money. I'll agree that the visa system needs to be fixed, but I'm not sure that this is the way to do it.
The positive impact of illegal immigrants on our economy is overstated. The 400 or so illegals that were recently rounded up at a business in the midwest are quickly being replaced by those in this country legally. Also, illegal immigrants do not dominate any one industry's workforce (not even migrant crops workers). The majority of workers in all businesses/industries are here legally which means that Americans will do these jobs. There are plenty of folks in this country who will work or who would work if we stopped paying them not to.
Whatever positive impacts that illegal immigrants have on our economy is also offset by the strain that they put on things like our health care system and public schools. This country can afford to secure its borders against illegal entry and have a visa system that will bring in immigrants that will help our economy and society and not hurt it.
Jeff's recommendations would fit in an overall solution to the problem. Also, the Mexican government actively supports Mexicans who break our laws and helps them get around our laws. Nations typically respond very strongly when outside interference to what that nation sees as its internal affairs. Yet we do nothing when a foreign government actively uses it embassy and consulates to subvert our laws. We also have cities that are more than willing to take federal money, yet subvert federal law. We cannot allow internal and external forces to subvert our laws. What will be the next thing that somebody decides to undermine?
We can do something about this if we have the will. Unfortunately, their are a lot of folks who think that we somehow have a responsibility to the people of the world. They think because we are rich we should open the doors and give what we have to the poor of the world. That is a place for charity and that is voluntary. Americans are the most generous people on the planet and charities are far more efficient than the government.
The first step in fixing this is to find the will to do so.
The positive impact of illegal immigrants on our economy is overstated. The 400 or so illegals that were recently rounded up at a business in the midwest are quickly being replaced by those in this country legally. Also, illegal immigrants do not dominate any one industry's workforce (not even migrant crops workers). The majority of workers in all businesses/industries are here legally which means that Americans will do these jobs. There are plenty of folks in this country who will work or who would work if we stopped paying them not to.
Whatever positive impacts that illegal immigrants have on our economy is also offset by the strain that they put on things like our health care system and public schools. This country can afford to secure its borders against illegal entry and have a visa system that will bring in immigrants that will help our economy and society and not hurt it.
Jeff's recommendations would fit in an overall solution to the problem. Also, the Mexican government actively supports Mexicans who break our laws and helps them get around our laws. Nations typically respond very strongly when outside interference to what that nation sees as its internal affairs. Yet we do nothing when a foreign government actively uses it embassy and consulates to subvert our laws. We also have cities that are more than willing to take federal money, yet subvert federal law. We cannot allow internal and external forces to subvert our laws. What will be the next thing that somebody decides to undermine?
We can do something about this if we have the will. Unfortunately, their are a lot of folks who think that we somehow have a responsibility to the people of the world. They think because we are rich we should open the doors and give what we have to the poor of the world. That is a place for charity and that is voluntary. Americans are the most generous people on the planet and charities are far more efficient than the government.
The first step in fixing this is to find the will to do so.
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Allow the new guy to chime in with a few words. Many if not most of these "immigrants" who come in to the USA couldn't give a rat's patootie about our economy, country or
becoming Americans. Many of the people coming in today know they are protected by the liberal b/s hashed out by the morons in congress. The sad day has arrived folks, the America many of us fought and bled for no longer exists. What about our rights? I've actually had people from countries unfriendly to America laugh about our stupidity when it comes to safeguarding our boarders and protecting ourselves as well as our individual rights.
becoming Americans. Many of the people coming in today know they are protected by the liberal b/s hashed out by the morons in congress. The sad day has arrived folks, the America many of us fought and bled for no longer exists. What about our rights? I've actually had people from countries unfriendly to America laugh about our stupidity when it comes to safeguarding our boarders and protecting ourselves as well as our individual rights.
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We back you guys 100% here in south ms. Shut down the border now!!!!! I read where the government benifits from illegal immigrants working here in the states because they contribute to social security through having their wages taxed (those who use our social security #'s illegally). The government loves this money coming in,the totals are in the billions, and it all goes to our government as extra money in their pockets.
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All this talk is good I guess, but is anyone here doing anything about it besides bitchin on the internet? When's the last time you called immigration on an illegal? Refuse to buy a home because it was built with illegal labor. Are you willing to do anything at all?
I doubt it.
Shit on illegals.
I doubt it.
Shit on illegals.
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I am a legal immigrant to this country. I came from Europe to marry my American fiance.
So, to be able to marry an American national, you have to apply for a K-1 visa. This will take you roughly 9 months, from you apply to the time when you are standing in an American airport. 9 months where you cannot visit the country to see your beloved. Filing the actual paperwork will cost you quite a bit of money (upwards of $1500), you will have to be fingerprinted several times, have your picture taken, criminal background checks performed, interviews, chest x-rays, immunity shots and bloodwork. You need to show evidence of an actual relationship in the form of letters, pictures, etc.
Once you have the visa in hand, you have 90 days to enter the US, and from the day you enter, you have 90 days to get married, or you will be deported.
Once married, you need to file paperwork again, get fingerprinted, interviewed, provide more evidence and photos, and, of course, pay more money. Then you can apply for a temporary work visa, which will arrive about 6 months after you got married. Of course you can't earn a living during that time, which is why your spouse has to sign an affidavit saying they can financially support you.
After 2 years, you need to file yet more paperwork, get fingerprinted, interviewed, pictures taken, etc., and you can finally obtain a green card that is valid for 10 years, and has to be renewed every 10 years. If you leave the country for more than 6 months, you basically have to start most of the aforementioned process over.
Now, I live in the north east, FAR FAR FAR away from the US-Mexican border, and there are thousands of obviously illegal immigrants roaming the streets in the city I live in. You will see one biking along the road, looking over his shoulder, at least once every 15 minutes if you just stand around. You cannot walk into a restaurant without them in the kitchens. All this is obviously speculation on my part, I don't know they are actually illegal, but I can't see how you can be legally here and not able to speak the language. Besides, its really really hard to get a work permit unless you're married to an American, is studying here, or has some sort of special work skills that is on a specific list of occupations. Dishwasher is not on that list, besides, no-one would apply for a work permit for an employee in April when the worker can't legally start until October (H1B visa, look it up). I will not buy from or use services from anyone who hire anyone that I think is illegal, and I make loud comments if I see a construction boss overlooking a bunch of them. End of story.
In any case, I'm not annoyed that I have had to be checked over thoroughly by the US government. I AM pissed off that it has been completely pointless, since not everyone is checked for diseases and criminal records, and being registered as being here.
Rant over.
Your grandparents learned the language and didn't expect everyone to learn theirs. Your grandparents never expected a handout. Your grandparents didn't break the laws to get into this country. And your grandparents had pride and honor enough to fight for this country.
So, to be able to marry an American national, you have to apply for a K-1 visa. This will take you roughly 9 months, from you apply to the time when you are standing in an American airport. 9 months where you cannot visit the country to see your beloved. Filing the actual paperwork will cost you quite a bit of money (upwards of $1500), you will have to be fingerprinted several times, have your picture taken, criminal background checks performed, interviews, chest x-rays, immunity shots and bloodwork. You need to show evidence of an actual relationship in the form of letters, pictures, etc.
Once you have the visa in hand, you have 90 days to enter the US, and from the day you enter, you have 90 days to get married, or you will be deported.
Once married, you need to file paperwork again, get fingerprinted, interviewed, provide more evidence and photos, and, of course, pay more money. Then you can apply for a temporary work visa, which will arrive about 6 months after you got married. Of course you can't earn a living during that time, which is why your spouse has to sign an affidavit saying they can financially support you.
After 2 years, you need to file yet more paperwork, get fingerprinted, interviewed, pictures taken, etc., and you can finally obtain a green card that is valid for 10 years, and has to be renewed every 10 years. If you leave the country for more than 6 months, you basically have to start most of the aforementioned process over.
Now, I live in the north east, FAR FAR FAR away from the US-Mexican border, and there are thousands of obviously illegal immigrants roaming the streets in the city I live in. You will see one biking along the road, looking over his shoulder, at least once every 15 minutes if you just stand around. You cannot walk into a restaurant without them in the kitchens. All this is obviously speculation on my part, I don't know they are actually illegal, but I can't see how you can be legally here and not able to speak the language. Besides, its really really hard to get a work permit unless you're married to an American, is studying here, or has some sort of special work skills that is on a specific list of occupations. Dishwasher is not on that list, besides, no-one would apply for a work permit for an employee in April when the worker can't legally start until October (H1B visa, look it up). I will not buy from or use services from anyone who hire anyone that I think is illegal, and I make loud comments if I see a construction boss overlooking a bunch of them. End of story.
In any case, I'm not annoyed that I have had to be checked over thoroughly by the US government. I AM pissed off that it has been completely pointless, since not everyone is checked for diseases and criminal records, and being registered as being here.
Rant over.
Your grandparents learned the language and didn't expect everyone to learn theirs. Your grandparents never expected a handout. Your grandparents didn't break the laws to get into this country. And your grandparents had pride and honor enough to fight for this country.
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I absolutely refuse to buy anything that illegal immigrants have anything to do with because they take jobs away from honest americans trying to make a living. I lived on the gulf coast in mississippi (10 min. from the beach) through katrina so I've seen it first hand. Their cheap labor, here one day gone the next and they do a very cheap job. I also would never hire illegals, I would rather pay more for a job well done by honest members of my community.
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So...you don't buy/eat/wear/use anything? Illegal immigrants come from countries all around the world.
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This is a touchy topic, so I'll only tell you the following:
East Germany did close the borders to the West best they could - they had a wall, a wide strip of no mans land, dogs, patrols, shooting apparatuses with sensors for movement ...
And still people fled, risking everything including their lives.
No matter what you do, you will not be able to close the borders to illegal immigration, as long as there is one job to be had that pays more than what a poor person has on the other side of the border. And I'm not even talking criminals ... I'm only talking people willing to give their kids a future ...
I'm afraid real criminals have even more ways of entering the country.
East Germany did close the borders to the West best they could - they had a wall, a wide strip of no mans land, dogs, patrols, shooting apparatuses with sensors for movement ...
And still people fled, risking everything including their lives.
No matter what you do, you will not be able to close the borders to illegal immigration, as long as there is one job to be had that pays more than what a poor person has on the other side of the border. And I'm not even talking criminals ... I'm only talking people willing to give their kids a future ...
I'm afraid real criminals have even more ways of entering the country.
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That is why the legal means of immigration needs to be easier. After reading Monsterdog's story, you can see why people are reluctant to want to undertake such a process. Unfortunately the American Government has a tendency to complicate and screw up just about everything. Like Jeff said, the Visa system is broken.
I'm all for legal immigration. I love the Mexican culture and the hard working yet laid back Mexicans. The illegals and criminals need to be treated as such though. I'm not holding my breath for Homeland security, Border patrol, Congress or any other govt. entity to fix the problem. They'll only allow it to get worse and then use it as a campaigning topic or an excuse for more liberty robbing legislation.
I work in San Luis AZ which is a border town. The high school in San Luis is one of the best schools I've ever seen and about 4X bigger than it should be for such a small town. It along with the 9 yes 9 other elem. and middle schools are all full with students. You can and I have set by the border crossing and watch 100's of students go back and forth every school day. Now these schools get all their money from E Rate which is TAX MONEY! Based on how many meals they serve every day among other things. The elementry school allow the kids parents to eat with them twice a week. Thats more meals = more tax money and the more they spend the more they can get next year. The big brown fence is a joke! Red Dawn!!!!
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our visa/immigration up here is a joke as well. Easiest way to stay is claim
amnesty,blahblah,they will kill me........ Then come in with a lifetime of crime behaviour with no english or want to learn, no job skills and right away sponsoring their parents who contribute nothing to the system and bleed our health care dealing with their lifetime of poor health. Oh and here is your monthly check......
Yah i have to help pay someone's weekly physio etc because they had rickets 40 years ago and just got here 6 months ago at age 71.
I agree with our public health care but like anything good, you put it out their and people will want to exploit it. Expecially from countries where graft and might rule, govt's are corrupt and payoffs are standard. They are raised with no law so how can you train a grown man that does not want to learn.
Our stupid govt is even helping fund same language schools so their kids learn english as a second language, not the first. Their families do not teach or speak english in the home so huge school resources are diverted to do this. They should hire tutors on their own dime. Nobody did this for the waves of immigrants that founded both our countries with self reliance and pride.
I need a coffee......
Parts of the city now have street signs in hindi or chinese depending on location!!WTF!!
They can even take their drivers test in their own language and can have a translator in the car if the tester does not speak their lingo. Now all the border, law enforcement, and many govt positions have an immigrant first hiring policy to be more politically correct.
Want to stay and work? Learn our language and laws....no other culture but N.America do they put up with such foolishness.
They can commit crimes and we just incarcerate instead of sending them home.
I feel for you guys on the southern border, at least most of ours come by plane/boat and are monitered/registered. For all the good it will do with our toothless immigration laws.
amnesty,blahblah,they will kill me........ Then come in with a lifetime of crime behaviour with no english or want to learn, no job skills and right away sponsoring their parents who contribute nothing to the system and bleed our health care dealing with their lifetime of poor health. Oh and here is your monthly check......
Yah i have to help pay someone's weekly physio etc because they had rickets 40 years ago and just got here 6 months ago at age 71.
I agree with our public health care but like anything good, you put it out their and people will want to exploit it. Expecially from countries where graft and might rule, govt's are corrupt and payoffs are standard. They are raised with no law so how can you train a grown man that does not want to learn.
Our stupid govt is even helping fund same language schools so their kids learn english as a second language, not the first. Their families do not teach or speak english in the home so huge school resources are diverted to do this. They should hire tutors on their own dime. Nobody did this for the waves of immigrants that founded both our countries with self reliance and pride.
I need a coffee......
Parts of the city now have street signs in hindi or chinese depending on location!!WTF!!
They can even take their drivers test in their own language and can have a translator in the car if the tester does not speak their lingo. Now all the border, law enforcement, and many govt positions have an immigrant first hiring policy to be more politically correct.
Want to stay and work? Learn our language and laws....no other culture but N.America do they put up with such foolishness.
They can commit crimes and we just incarcerate instead of sending them home.
I feel for you guys on the southern border, at least most of ours come by plane/boat and are monitered/registered. For all the good it will do with our toothless immigration laws.