Border security

It is obvious in the southwest that the negative impact on crime and our economy caused by illegal immigration from Mexico is rediculous-much more so than anyone could ever estimate.
 
Hammer all I have to say is Yep! Maybe instead of flying,driving them back to their home land we enlist them in a special military branch and let them fight for freedom. Or lets clean out our prisons and send them to the vacation spots in Mexico.
 
it would be interesting to see how history portrays this issue in say 50-100 yrs from now
 
dougo83 said:
So...you don't buy/eat/wear/use anything? Illegal immigrants come from countries all around the world.
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I agree it can be hard to avoid, but unfortunately the dynamic ruling this issue is the attitude of American business owners (and therefore congress).

A restaurant up the street had to close recently, you can see into the kitchen and he never had anything but local looking people. He even hired mentally retarded people and work release guys from the looks of it.

The restaurant just across the street is thriving, and their kitchen staff doesn't speak a lick of English. But the latter restaurant was able to make a better profit by paying illegal immigrants under the table, and therefore stay alive when most of the rest of the competition use the same tactics for profiteering.

More profits translate into a cheaper product, and people like cheap a whole lot more than freedom or security.

Its interesting to think that the Roman empire went down the tubes partly because the middle class had no more jobs. The jobs were taken by slave labor because the upper class wanted to make a better profit. See a resemblance anyone?

So, dougo83, it may be hard to avoid buying things or services made by illegal or outsourced labor, but its your duty to yourself and every one you know to try and avoid it where ever you can.

This will not only preserve jobs for people who are legally able to work here and who have to pay taxes so your kids can go to school or your parents can get the health care they need, but will also send a powerful signal to business owners that their goods and services are not useful to anyone unless they have been produced by honest and socially responsible means.

Of course that will never happen, people prefer cheap goods now to having a job tomorrow :thumbup:
 
monsterdog said:
I agree it can be hard to avoid, but unfortunately the dynamic ruling this issue is the attitude of American business owners (and therefore congress).

A restaurant up the street had to close recently, you can see into the kitchen and he never had anything but local looking people. He even hired mentally retarded people and work release guys from the looks of it.

The restaurant just across the street is thriving, and their kitchen staff doesn't speak a lick of English. But the latter restaurant was able to make a better profit by paying illegal immigrants under the table, and therefore stay alive when most of the rest of the competition use the same tactics for profiteering.

More profits translate into a cheaper product, and people like cheap a whole lot more than freedom or security.

Its interesting to think that the Roman empire went down the tubes partly because the middle class had no more jobs. The jobs were taken by slave labor because the upper class wanted to make a better profit. See a resemblance anyone?

So, dougo83, it may be hard to avoid buying things or services made by illegal or outsourced labor, but its your duty to yourself and every one you know to try and avoid it where ever you can.

This will not only preserve jobs for people who are legally able to work here and who have to pay taxes so your kids can go to school or your parents can get the health care they need, but will also send a powerful signal to business owners that their goods and services are not useful to anyone unless they have been produced by honest and socially responsible means.

Of course that will never happen, people prefer cheap goods now to having a job tomorrow :thumbup:
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None of this changes the fact that saying you don't purchase anything involving illegals is ridiculous.
 
Brad "the butcher";7730234 said:
Parts of the city now have street signs in hindi or chinese depending on location!!WTF!!
They can even take their drivers test in their own language and can have a translator in the car if the tester does not speak their lingo. Now all the border, law enforcement, and many govt positions have an immigrant first hiring policy to be more politically correct.
Want to stay and work? Learn our language and laws....no other culture but N.America do they put up with such foolishness.
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Here in Kentucky the State police wanted to have drivers tests administered in English only, to save money instead of the current 20 plus languages. The Governor shot down that idea. It blows my mind that political correctness has gone this far. How long until all road signs have to be in those 20 languages also?
As I'm typing, I realized my television switched from English to Spanish after The Western Kentucky basketball game went off. From time to time I have to reset my digital antenna box to get English back on. :mad:
 
I have some interesting observations from another part of the world and how things are handled outside the US with illegal immigration. This is just my observations of how things are where I am at now (New Zealand).

I am currently splitting my time between Alaska and New Zealand while my wife goes to school down here. Last year I obtained my NZ permanent residency which is the same as a green card in the US so I could stay here legally while she is in school. Anyways, while down here I have seem a lot of interesting things with regards to illegal immigration as it pertains to NZ and been able to compare it to the US. The kiwis definitely have their act together when it comes to immigration matters (both legal and illegal). To put it simply - they do not mess around when it comes to illegal immigration.

First, off when talking with kiwis, they cannot understand how our government simply chooses to let illegal immigation continue and allow illegal immigrants to drain our country in various ways. They simply cannot comprehend that the government does not take the necessary steps to enforce the law and chooses to look the other way. Quite simply we look like a joke on the international stage with regard to immigration matters at least from the point of view of a kiwi. To put it simply there is zero tolerance in New Zealand for that sort of thing from what I have gathered in the last 6 months of being here.

Now here is how things work down here compared to some of the discussion in this thread so far. Granted things are a bit easier to enforce when you are an island nation many miles from the nearest other country, but there is some interesting things to note. If you want to work in any capacity here and you are not a citizen, you have to present a copy of your passport which shows your residency permit or work visa. There are zero employers here that will do the "under the table" stuff that you see a lot of in the US with hiring illegals regardless of how much profit could be had. The reason for this is that here are extremely stiff penalties that are actually enforced for employers that do so combined with the fact that there are very few illegals in country due to the enforcement of immigration law.

Next, if you want to utilize the state systems (ie. state funded health care, schools, or other such programs) you have to give the same proof. For instance, unless it is a life threatening emergency, the hospitals here will not admit you for any reason unless you have that proof of your right to be in the country. They will literally turn you around at the reception desk if you don't have your passport with proof of residency with you (happened to me once) or give you the option to pay for the procedure up front prior to treatment.

Here is an example of what happened to me. I was sharpening a knife (not one of my RATs :()a few weeks back and managed to cut myself pretty good - like 3 stitches pretty good. I went to the hospital to get it fixed but forgot my passport. While I was standing there bleeding into a towel, reception gave me the option of either going home to get my residency proof (there would be no hospital bill for a resident or citizen) or paying the non-resident rate up-front prior to them doing anything for me.

When I first arrived here that passport with the proof of residency was my ticket to everything. I needed it to get a drivers license, setup a bank account, purchase and register a car, arrange the rental agreement for where we live, and even to set up a contract for a cell phone. Without it I could not have done any of these things - so ther is no way an illegal could either. The way the system is here, there is literally no way an illegal immigrant could live a normal life here. Sure you might be able to survive if you had people helping you but a normal life is out.

The other night I caught a NZ TV show (can't remember the name) which was kind of like Cops in the US except followed around the NZ Customs folks in their efforts to find and deport the few illegals that they do have here. They literally aggressively hunt down and deport any and all illegals that they find out about. On this particular episode they were after some guy from Indonesia who they had not left the country when his vistors visa expired. From what I gathered, they track when you arrive and when you are suppose to leave and if they don't see your name on a passenger flight manifest by that date, you get flagged. Not long after that they come looking for you using any and all resources available (ie tracking credit cards, family members, etc.). They were looking for this guy the week after he was suppose to have left and it took some pretty aggressive measures to finally find him as he knew they were after him. They were staking out his families house for numerous days/nights and were going door to door all over the neighborhood asking about him. All of this for one guy who had not left the country on time.
 
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Until we adopt the attitude of NZ there will always be illegals. If we were to cut off welfare, medical aid, social aid programs. etc then they would go home on their own. Word would quickly spread about the lack of benefits and they would stop coming on their own.

The Democrats want the illegals to be granted amnesty. The main reason is to increase their voter base. The poor, uneducated and minorities flock to the democrats for the handouts they know they will receive.

Here are some interesting facts for you to see:

Presidential election:

Number of States won by: Obama: 19 McCain: 29

Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 McCain: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million McCain: 143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 McCain: 2.1

As you can see, the Dems target inner city people (poor, uneducated and minorities) for their voters.

I have rambled enough now. America is too afraid now of affending someone and being Politically Correct that they have blinders on. It is the time to pull our heads out of our asses, start to enforce laws and if you do not like it then you can go to another country and find out how the rest of the world takes care of things.
 
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