Boss St. Feathersticks requested.

[OldPhysics]

My vote is to drop the talon hole when it interferes with the proper design of the knife. Don't build the knife around the talon hole. Eliminate it when necessary.

I certainly understand branding and the concept of signature designs.

However, I've got to agree here. I honestly do not believe Mr. Busse would do his business any damage by continuing in the direction of the Vex and the 4" HACK.

And a lot of us, his fans, would rejoice.:thumbup:

 

[Thalestin]

You'll also find that Fiddleback (Andy Roy) makes thin, woodsy knives that excel in this area. I've got a passel of Busses and a fair number of Fiddlebacks ... each excels in its own way(s).

Oh. Should mention Andy's superb handles. You haven't lived until you've handled his handles, so to speak.

Totally agree:thumbup::thumbup:

 

[Thalestin]

Not specifically with the BS, but for me, I make fuzz sticks better and more easily by push cutting starting where the blade goes from the sweep up to the tip, and running the length of the straight part of the blade. I never could just push the blade near the handle, no matter how sharp the blade was. So the elf choil was never a minus in my book.

I feel the same way. It hasnt bothered me on my active duty

 

[Iboschi]

You'll also find that Fiddleback (Andy Roy) makes thin, woodsy knives that excel in this area. I've got a passel of Busses and a fair number of Fiddlebacks ... each excels in its own way(s).

Oh. Should mention Andy's superb handles. You haven't lived until you've handled his handles, so to speak.

Thanks for the input folks. I have been eyeballing Fiddleback knives for a while, in particular those Terrasaurs over on the makers for sale area (designed by Joe). I'll pick one up eventually, but it really has to call my name or I'll design my own variation.

However, the BS though just speaks of its own accord. Like some sharpened tire iron that begs to be used for everything from slicing apples, and making feathersticks to demolitions work and prying bathtubs right out of the ground.

I was just hoping to get more information on the grind of the BS before I hold it. I'm hoping it IS a thin enough grind up to that .220 thick blade that delicate work is a cinch.

 

[DowntownDM]

just another +1 for "down with Elf Choils on small blades"

yuck.

talon holes, great. useful choils, great. ginormous elf choils, not so much.

 

[Jaxx]

I'm trying to find the best balance in edge angle on this one. I didn't buy it as a dedicated bushcraft blade, but wanted it as an EDC hard use knife that could complete certain bushcraft tasks, including complete fire prep, game prep etc.. It's hard to find the best of both worlds. I just hate the freaking choil. I wish it was just a tiny sharpening choil, or even a full size choil.

I'm with you, brother. I rarely end up keeping EDC-sized Busse blades due to the crap elf choils.

The High Street and Nuclear EDC are gems in a sea of annoying half choils.

Don't get me wrong, the knife performs quite well. My only judgments are based on the edge I gave this knife, as I wanted a balance between durability and cutting performance, leaning more towards durability. With a slightly keener edge, this knife can perform any task you need, including fuzz sticks etc.. It's only real negative is the stupid F'ng choil. Why? What purpose does it serve? I absolutely like a tiny sharpening choil, I even like usable choils. I don't like a random gap in the blade separating my hand from the knife, but this only bothers me when trying to choke up on the blade for stuff like featherstick making.

I would certainly buy one again, and they make a great field knife. If I were making feathersticks for a living, i'd buy a custom scandi from someone like JK knives or koster, not a Busse. Since I don't make them for a living, but I do beat the hell out of my knives, I buy Busse and still get great cutting performance.

That thing is FOUR times bigger than a sharpening choil needs to be, and 50% smaller than a usable choil should be. I think it's only there to be annoying, and so they can watch us buy it anyway. Either that or MM is so high up on Amys list that they make designs just to annoy him!

Either way, the choil doesn't bother me enough not to use/keep the knife. I'd just prefer a real choil or a tiny tiny sharpening choil.

Serenity now!!!...

I think, like many recurring features of Busse knives, it is there for aesthetics. It's part of the "signature" Busse look.

An INFI EDC with no talon hole and no choil would be absolutely awesome, but then it wouldn't "look like a Busse".

The elf choils HAVE bothered me enough that I've gotten rid of every elf choil knife I've bought except the Active Duty. And honestly, the only reason I've kept the AD is more silly aesthetics - it's made from Bama Clay and I don't own many knives in my favorite color.

My RC-3, which has an actual usable choil, is far more likely to get carried than my AD, because I hate the elf choil so much.

People define feathersticks differently. To me a feather stick is made of many very thin slivers of wood still attached to the bigger piece running down the length of the wood. Some people just carve kind of thicker splinters of wood. For traditional (and truly effective) feathersticks, the boss street isn't the BEST knife for the job, but with a little work you can still make an effective featherstick.

I can make amazing feathers with a mora, or my sarsquatch, the boss street just takes a lot of effort. If I either had a useable choil, or no choil at all I could really make it a lot more effective.

That said, it's performance could very easilly be increased with a little thinning and a good polished edge IMO. Some people prefer a toothy edge though. I'll resharpen my boss a little bit before I head back out tomorrow and thin it a little (I've got a 22 degree each side grind on it). I may take it down to 15 and see how it performs.

[youtube]NpYEJx7PkWE[/youtube]

Ah yes. Once again, the Busse critics in action...

Maybe I'm out of line here, (and to the Mods, if I am, please tell me), but I seem to recall a time, and not all that long ago, when folks here respected other people's threads...Not hijacked them with repeated complaints about what they didn't like. The OP was clear on his request, and it wasn't on whether or not you like the choils.

I get it...You both don't like the choils on many of the smaller Busse knives. I'm pretty sure that even the most oblivious members here have got it by now. These choils have been on Busse's much longer than both of you have been around here, and I suspect that this will continue on into the future...

But take heart. You have options... Either:
1.) Mod the choils yourself.
2.) Request the Custom Shop to mod your choils. I've done this before and love my LrMr with a larger choil.
3.) Start your own threads requesting Jerry's consideration on choil options.
4.) Stop buying Busse knives with choils you don't like.

...But really, constant complaining on any thread that you can make the leap to what you don't like on gets a little...tiresome. And, please respect other poster's threads, OK? I apologize to you both for finally blurting this out here, but I see too much complaining around this Forum recently and it's starting to hurt my head.
...I think I need to get myself a strong drink now.

To the OP... I'm very sorry for getting into this on your thread. It just finally reached that point where I could no longer keep quiet... Again, I apologize to you for blurting this out here.

Now... How's about some more images of feathersticks created with BOSS Streets for Iboschi to put his thread back on track? :thumbup:

 

[230grains]

Serenity now!!!...





[youtube]NpYEJx7PkWE[/youtube]

Ah yes. Once again, the Busse critics in action...

Maybe I'm out of line here, (and to the Mods, if I am, please tell me), but I seem to recall a time, and not all that long ago, when folks here respected other people's threads...Not hijacked them with repeated complaints about what they didn't like. The OP was clear on his request, and it wasn't on whether or not you like the choils.

I get it...You both don't like the choils on many of the smaller Busse knives. I'm pretty sure that even the most oblivious members here have got it by now. These choils have been on Busse's much longer than both of you have been around here, and I suspect that this will continue on into the future...

But take heart. You have options... Either:
1.) Mod the choils yourself.
2.) Request the Custom Shop to mod your choils. I've done this before and love my LrMr with a larger choil.
3.) Start your own threads requesting Jerry's consideration on choil options.
4.) Stop buying Busse knives with choils you don't like.

...But really, constant complaining on any thread that you can make the leap to what you don't like on gets a little...tiresome. And, please respect other poster's threads, OK? I apologize to you both for finally blurting this out here, but I see too much complaining around this Forum recently and it's starting to hurt my head.
...I think I need to get myself a strong drink now.

To the OP... I'm very sorry for getting into this on your thread. It just finally reached that point where I could no longer keep quiet... Again, I apologize to you for blurting this out here.

Now... How's about some more images of feathersticks created with BOSS Streets for Iboschi to put his thread back on track? :thumbup:

You're being a tad bit dramatic don't you think?

The OP asked about featherstick making using the stock boss street.. I gave my opinion. With the way I MAKE feathersticks, the choil is absolutely a hindrance and an annoying feature put solely there for looks regardless of how much performance is sacrificed. So yes, i'd say my comments regarding the choil are tremendously prevalent. Will the choil affect jamming your knife in a tree and taking a picture of it? Absolutely not. Is it annoying in actual practical applications of the knife? Of course! I tested the knife out as an "emergency" survival blade, one where you weren't expecting to be out in the woods very long but ended up stuck. Know what I found? The choil sacrificed edge length which would have been very handy while batoning and I ended up having to hammer the very very tip, losing a lot of leverage. The choil snags quite a bit as well when cutting certain things.

You can say what you want, we're all consumers. Some of us more so than others. In the end, Busse makes incredible hard use tools. Sadly, a lot of the utility of some of these tools are sacrificed to satisfy the aesthetic needs of collectors, who buy 10 of every model and stuff them in a safe only to see the light of day for a photo op. It makes perfect sense as well, as someone like me who will buy a knife once a month or every other month is certainly not buying 10 of every knife in every color combo and snagging 10 LE edition blades. To the collector, the choil is not a hindrance, but something that looks cool. To me, it's a chunk missing from the cutting edge that can't actually be used.

What's funny is, I LOVE Busse combat knives. I think they're the best knives around to be honest. But it's certainly not ok to criticize them if anything about a design bothers you. Unless of course it's a complaint about the subtle differences between black paper micarta and black g10. Collectors feed Jerry and his family, the every day Joe who buys a knife now and then don't. Busse combat designs are geared towards hard use, but many of them sacrifice performance for a sales increase. Elf choils are the perfect example.

All of my comments about the choil in this thread were DIRECTLY related to featherstick making. But if it makes you happy...

"Yes, the boss street will make feathersticks. I don't see a single thing wrong with it for that application, it's perfect 100% from the factory"

My comments aren't complaints, but I think Jerry would probably appreciate feedback from people who use the knives constantly in harder applications for help in future designs. But hey, i'm also not going to buy a limited edition Navy Seal Ranger Ninja knife with serrations on the pommel, a band breaker with a serrated tip and metal knuckle guards.. But what do I know, I'm not nearly ninja enough.

 

[Amy-0]

I think everyone should do what Jerry says......................


"Lets Drink"




On a side note...we do listion to what you all want and when Jerry makes new designs he uses alot of your input and we appreciate all of the feedback...however people like different things

so some knives people will not like....others will love we are never going to make everyone happy it is what it is

That is why I love what Jerry does because he does different things....just my 2 cents



So lets keep this thread on track



Open a nice ice cold beverage and relax...that is what I am gonna do:thumbup::thumbup:


Amy-0

 

[kdstrick]

LOL... Jaxx is right.... and i'm as guilty as the next guy.

Still, aren't great fuzzsticks more a creation of a very thin edge than a test of the steel that produces them? More a question of edge geometry than the knife as a whole, in my opinion.

I don't think of fuzzsticks when I think Busse... I think of shattered sticks, splinters and a general disregard for wood altogether. No finesse here... Beat the Busse!!! :thumbup:

 

[230grains]

LOL... Jaxx is right.... and i'm as guilty as the next guy.

Still, aren't great fuzzsticks more a creation of a very thin edge than a test of the steel that produces them? More a question of edge geometry than the knife as a whole, in my opinion.

I don't think of fuzzsticks when I think Busse... I think of shattered sticks, splinters and a general disregard for wood altogether. No finesse here... Beat the Busse!!! :thumbup:

Geometry has a lot to do with it, steel not so much.. as long as it's a quality steel that can hold an edge, it will perform fine. How one is able to utilize the tool is pivotal in making feathersticks properly however.

You can make fuzz sticks with a Busse with a little effort, but there are much better knives for the task for 1/40th the cost in many cases. A cheap carbon mora will outperform a boss street in featherstick making as well as any other light duty wood work. It won't be as cool, it won't nearly be as tough, it will rust like crazy.. but it's geometry is much better suited for the task. That's not to say the BS can't hold it's own, because it can and much much more.

 

[richstag]

Pic to Jaxx

I know, I know, LET'S DRINK

 

[230grains]

Pic to Jaxx

I know, I know, LET'S DRINK

I don't get it.

 

[richstag]

Jaxx was just dropping bombs and he is stealth

 

[230grains]

Oh LOL, I was picturing this.

I'm guilty of it many times.

He can only use the Statler and Waldorf bit once though, and he already used it up a couple days ago on me and MM.

 

[richstag]

Jaxx is cool though 230, I wasn't making fun of him. He is a good guy:thumbup:

Back to Feathersticks

 

[Lycosa]

Feather sticks my keester!! Where's Amy??
OH, for get that, that's OT!!
Carry on.

 

[Jaxx]

Oh LOL, I was picturing this.

I'm guilty of it many times.

He can only use the Statler and Waldorf bit once though, and he already used it up a couple days ago on me and MM.

OK, 230grains, listen up. I was hoping that you'd catch the point last time when I used that clip out of humor, but for the same reason. This time? ...No humor. If you want to continue this, feel free to PM me or start another thread...although I'd suggest Whine & Cheese as the appropriate forum to open it in, because I don't think it'll remain unlocked here in this forum for very long, as well as get us both infracted.

 

[230grains]

OK, 230grains, listen up. I was hoping that you'd catch the point last time when I used that clip out of humor, but for the same reason. This time? ...No humor. If you want to continue this, feel free to PM me or start another thread...although I'd suggest Whine & Cheese as the appropriate forum to open it in, because I don't think it'll remain unlocked here in this forum for very long, as well as get us both infracted.

Sure, I'll be happy to PM you. Virtual fisticuffs, despite my love for real life pugilism is not my forte. We can go to PMs now, sorry for the thread derailment.

 

[Amy-0]

If this does not stop .....

I will be forced to LOCK this thread


and I WILL ISSUE INFRACTIONS

Not kidding


Amy-0

 

[230grains]

Don't lock the thread Amy, that's not fair to the OP. Jaxx and I have taken this off the Busse forum, we will no longer argue here. Sorry for hijack.