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They seem to have the lowest prices on things but has anyone had any bad/good experiences with them? Thanks for your time.


-DC2
 
Bwahahha!

Can basic memberships search now?

If you can go to Good Bad and Ugly forum, in short you may get lucky, but if you're not then watch out.
 
Yeah, it seems that experiences with them can go either way. I have had no trouble with them, and some of their sale prices can't be beat by anyone. But others have had problems.
 
In the last six months i have dealed with this company twice. Both times i have had no problems and have received the orders as promised. I have heard that the problem is when someone orders something that botach doesnt have in stock. Then it is back ordered.
I just recieved 4 of the surfire g2 flashlights for 29 bucks a piece and was really happy with the experience.

:)
 
Buy from a reputable dealer. There are far too many of them out there that have prices close enough to what Botach sells for that there is no reason to take a chance with these total incompetents. This company has one of the worst reputations that I have ever heard of.
 
I ordered two of the G2 Surefires around 12/9/02. They shipped the next day via UPS. I was emailed a tracking number. I received the lights on the 16th. No problems. There is a current thread on the Candel Power forums about Botach. In general it seems they have improved recently, but that you need to call and make sure the item is in stock before ordering. I am planing on placing another order with them soon.
 
I have said this before, but...

My many dealings with Botach have, other than two minor problems that were easily and quickly solved, have been excellent. Their prices are good and shipping in resonable. They don't show inventory levels on their website so, if you need something right away, it's best calling them first.
My worst problems with online ordering were from two highly recommended online merchants, neither of which is Botach. One sold me something that was clearly used as new and the other billed and shipped a $650 tomahawk (on my debit card!!:eek: ) when I requested a $95 'hawk. Botach has never treated me that poorly...
Of course, YMMV

-SB
 
If you search this forum (or search the whole net) you'll see numerous posts saying Botach is fine as long as you call them and make sure the items you want are in stock before you order -- and almost as many posts saying that doesn't work because when they're out of stock Botach lies.

Besides all the posts on this forum, there are thousands of complaints about Botach all over the net. Sometimes I wonder how they stay in business ... and then I see another post from someone who says, "I can't understand all these complaints. I've always gotten what I've ordered from Botach even if it was delayed sometimes, and I intend to keep buying from them until they screw me." That's how they stay in business ... some people can learn only from their own personal experience.
 
Originally posted by Cougar Allen
If you search this forum (or search the whole net) you'll see numerous posts saying Botach is fine as long as you call them and make sure the items you want are in stock before you order -- and almost as many posts saying that doesn't work because when they're out of stock Botach lies.

Besides all the posts on this forum, there are thousands of complaints about Botach all over the net. Sometimes I wonder how they stay in business ... and then I see another post from someone who says, "I can't understand all these complaints. I've always gotten what I've ordered from Botach even if it was delayed sometimes, and I intend to keep buying from them until they screw me." That's how they stay in business ... some people can learn only from their own personal experience.
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It seems that you are saying that I should regard someone else's personal experience over my own. Sorry, not going to happen. My personal experience has been very good with Botach.
I have seen many complaints about Botach from the same people over and over. When I did a search on Botach complaints it did not yield thousands and if you filtered out the repeats from the same people the net number was even lower. The way some people go on and on about Botach you'd swear that BK himself insulted their mother.:rolleyes:
Here's a tip that always works: If you feel unsure about purchasing from an online vendor (or any for that matter) go with your gut and buy somewhere else. I've passed up good deals many times because I wasn't sure about a vendor.

I've learned the hard way not to trust other people's personal opinions (and experiences) with out some form of verification. Treat mine the same. YMMV. Offer void where prohibited.

Disclosure: I don't work for Botach nor am I associated with Botach in anyway except as a customer. Other than one knife, I only buy non-knife related gear from Botach.

-SB
 
People have been warned and the ones that have experienced no problems so far disregard all the many,many times this company has shown a lack of honesty and integrity in its business dealings.To these people,don't come back complaining when you finally get a good screwing.If you were smart you would cut and run while you have been lucky thus far.Why anybody would support a company that has shown a lack of business ethics towards many others is beyond me.Why this company continues to thrive is because people sell out to save a few dollars,and yes it should matter what has happened to alot of other formites here.Why support bad business,only because you haven't been screwed yet?Stupidity is ramped in here,I have nothing else to say after this post.
By your accounts I should have to call to verify stock so I don't get screwed?What happens when they make a mistake and ship you the wrong item,how long you think it will take to clear a situation like that up?Pretty long by some peoples accounts.Botach:barf:
 
"Stupidity is ramped in here"
Wow, I'm stupid. This from a guy who has never, ever met me. This is why I say you must do some sort of verification before you believe people's (including my) opinions. BTW, Did you mean "rampant?"

"By your accounts I should have to call to verify stock so I don't get screwed?"
No, I said that you may want to call them if you are going to order from them. If you don't want to order from them then don't. Treat them like a catalog company if you wish. Showing my age, but I remember when a phone call WAS the quick way to order!! :-)

"Why this company continues to thrive is because people sell out to save a few dollars,and yes it should matter what has happened to alot of other formites here."
Is that why you are not a Gold or Premium member? Hey, you started it ;)

"What happens when they make a mistake and ship you the wrong item,how long you think it will take to clear a situation like that up?
Well, it took me 5 minutes on the phone and of course a few days waiting for the post office to bring it to my mailbox. I can only comment on my experience.

"Why this company continues to thrive"
I don't have any inside information on this company so I can't say whether on not they are "thriving." They are still in business...

Diamond Cut II asked for good or bad experiences. I've only had good. I'm not going to lie to make you feel better. I'm also not going to defend Botach's mistakes.
It's really no skin off my nose if you want to flame Botach and not do business with them. They are not me and I only posted to this thread because Diamond Cut II asked for opinions. You and Cougar made this personal. You must have reasons for the personal attacks. Bad day maybe, I don't know...

Diamond Cut II: Botach seems to bring out strong feelings so this maybe reason enough to shop elsewhere!

-SB
 
Oh my how awful,I wrote so fast I didn't check my spelling.You caught me,Must mean my opinion has no validity.How about instead of picking up on a spelling mistake, you stay on topic.You said yourself if you run a search on this company you come up with thousands of posts.I'll give you the fact some people including yourself has had no problems thus far.Are these hundreds of other negative experiences of no consequence? I mean why support a company who has so mistreated your fellow formites?They survive to continue unethical business practices because of people like you.Doesn't say much for you,does it?
I used to be a Gold member,I haven't decided if I will renew.I don't see your point in my membership status comparison,reaching a bit are we?I have no problems with your experiences,you are one of the fortunate few.However,you are also part of what keeps Botach in business.You are quick to dismiss others experiences,and continue to do business with a company that has commited unethical business practices on other forum members here.So ya,It is very personal,because I consider the people here my Knife Community family.If they have been wronged as alot of them have, I will not support a company with my money.I have my morals, unlike some.
 
Whoosh....

No point in arguing opinions; I'll just answer the one question of fact: I just ran a Google search on Botach and got ~5,300 hits. Of course I haven't looked at all of them to confirm they're all complaints -- in fact some of them are not complaints; they're hits on the Botach website. A random sampling indicates the great majority are complaints, but don't take my word for it, look for yourself.
 
"Oh my how awful,I wrote so fast I didn't check my spelling.You caught me,Must mean my opinion has no validity.How about instead of picking up on a spelling mistake, you stay on topic."
Yes, I stooped to a cheap ploy.:o You avoided my point: You attacked my intelligence without cause.

"Are these hundreds of other negative experiences of no consequence? I mean why support a company who has so mistreated your fellow formites?"
No, I don't feel that they are of no consequence. I was dealing with Botach long before I knew that BFC even existed. The negatives were a surprise to me when I came here. You make a valid point I had not considered about continuing support of them. It may have been made with less hostility, however.

"I don't see your point in my membership status comparison,reaching a bit are we?"
It's a reach but, how does not upgrading to Gold or Premium help your fellow forumites? It's only $20 or $30 to upgrade. It's based on your insult of "people sell out to save a few dollars." I did not know that I was selling out by trying to save my hard earned money.

"You said yourself if you run a search on this company you come up with thousands of posts"
That was Cougar, not me. I could not find them doing a Google search. Doesn't mean that they don't exist and I doubt that I frequent all the same forums.

"I have my morals, unlike some."
Another personal attack only because I offered my experiences? Do you even know me?

Here's something that does help your cause:http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=124549&highlight=botach
Look at the last post in the thread. I did not see that one before. My mistake.

What I really don't understand is the hostility directed toward me. I fail to see why my post of my personal experiences with a vendor triggered such venom. That's what the Diamond Cut II asked for good and bad. My postive experiences should never be seen as blanket defense of Botach. To me they are just a place to buy stuff and not even knife related stuff after the first knife. I could understand if I were saying that they are the greatest place to buy from and that everyone else is lying BUT I never did. And would not.

-SB [edited to add the word "are"]
 
Originally posted by Cougar Allen
Whoosh....

No point in arguing opinions; I'll just answer the one question of fact: I just ran a Google search on Botach and got ~5,300 hits. Of course I haven't looked at all of them to confirm they're all complaints -- in fact some of them are not complaints; they're hits on the Botach website. A random sampling indicates the great majority are complaints, but don't take my word for it, look for yourself.
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I did a similar search and did find complaints but not thousands as you stated in your previous post. Didn't Google used to search Bladeforums? I did not see any Bladeforums entries which would have really helped your point!
Again, I'm not defending Botach. Please don't think that my defense of myself against personal attacks is in anyway a defense of Botach. Both of your points could have been made without the personal slights and attacks.

-SB
 
There seems to be some confusion here ... I've often seen it on the net, even done it myself when I was a newbie -- people tend to regard posts after theirs in a thread as replies to their post. Even if it's clearly responding to something they didn't say, they often think they've been misinterpreted.

Those of us who've been reading this forum for a while have often seen people say, in effect (sometimes in so many words) "He/They have never screwed me, so all these people who say they got screwed must be a bunch of liars." It never ceases to amaze me that some people seem to believe it impossible that the same person or company could deal honestly sometimes and dishonestly other times....

By the way, Google typically finds a different set of hits every time you search. It's been less than two hours since my last search on "Botach" -- I just tried it again and got 4,950 hits this time. Next time it'll be a different number.
 
Cougar,

Well said and you are right. I took personally what probably was meant for others. Usually I just let things like this slide but it has been a long, nasty week. It just felt like another river of **** headed my way.

Tombstone: Posts like these are as bad as email: It's too easy to read more into them then there really is. I know I probably did. Sticking up for your friends is always good in my book.
 
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