BRAINSTORM: Knife ambassador to the public?

shinyedges said:
I disagree, allowing fear to rule and dictate our lives will only accomplish more reductions in freedom.

The guy openly carrying a fixed blade isn't the one you should worry about, if he is carrying openly that means he is probably a law abiding citizen. Worry about the guy who hides his intent and no amount of regulation or laws will deter him from whatever evil deed he has planned.

Personally i dont understand the "I'm scared so take my rights" ideology because it doesnt make ANYONE safer.

Criminals do not obey laws...
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I understand and agree with your viewpoint to a certain extent. A few things, though. First of all, I'm not scared. I carry a gun and multiple knives, I'm good to go. I am generally one of those "Be polite, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet" sorts. Secondly, I also disagree that I should see strangers openly carrying weapons* as just law abiding folks carrying tools. Many of the people who perpetrated the recent mass shootings were people with no prior records or any sign that they were unhinged**, in other words by all outwards appearances law abiding citizens....until they pulled out guns and started murdering people. All those stabbings in other countries, same thing. Just too many scumbags out there who walk around unknown for my liking. I see a stranger with an obvious weapon, he's going to be watched and I'm not going to relax around that person. You're right, we shouldn't have to worry. But that's not the society we live in. Also? Look to the right, I live in Florida. It's friggin' 100% alligators and crazy people here.

About the only way my own viewpoint will change will be if open carry is available everywhere, and everyone is carrying a means of self-defense. I think in that sort of society, we'll have a LOT fewer wackjobs out there, because they'll be taken off the map as soon as they "show their face" as it were. Until then, that's just my opinion. :thumbup:

Edit: full disclosure, I am an information security/facility security professional. Part of my mindset comes from that.


* A guy in an urban area carrying a sheathe knife is almost certainly not carrying it as a tool (we can agree to disagree). I would have the same opinion of a guy carrying a sledgehammer over one shoulder walking around in a mall. It's a tool, being carried as a weapon.

** In some cases, there were signs that no one acted on, but because they were otherwise "law-abiding" nothing was done.
 
I feel ya, we'll agree to disagree on some points.

My 2¢ is the guy who took the time to know he can't conceal a certain knife so he openly carries it isn't the criminal.

Like you said crazies can be anyone. Anywhere. But for me a guy who took the time to know the law doesn't set off red flags for immediate crazy.

To each their own.

I'm not a security professional but I was in the army and deployed in 2010. I have a good sense of awareness and am always on alert.

Making laws out of fear ONLY affects law abiding citizens because CRIMINALS don't care what the latest legislation passed said.
 
shinyedges said:
I feel ya, we'll agree to disagree on some points.

My 2¢ is the guy who took the time to know he can't conceal a certain knife so he openly carries it isn't the criminal.

Like you said crazies can be anyone. Anywhere. But for me a guy who took the time to know the law doesn't set off red flags for immediate crazy.

To each their own.

I'm not a security professional but I was in the army and deployed in 2010. I have a good sense of awareness and am always on alert.

Making laws out of fear ONLY affects law abiding citizens because CRIMINALS don't care what the latest legislation passed said.
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Agreed. To be clear, I am for 100% open carry everywhere (I am aware of all the arguments between conceal-only, and OC). I honestly believe that this would keep people who are considering becoming criminals in check. How many mass-shootings would have been avoided if the guy knew that he was going to have about 30 seconds before rounds started coming in from every direction? Every mass shooting with one or two exceptions reaffirms my belief. Those crazies always end themselves as soon as rounds start coming their way, or when people with guns show up. Knives, same way I think. I think that if more people carried knives, it wouldn't be a thing. It'd be nice to get to that point, but I think we have a ways to go until we get there, and with all of the bad stuff that keeps happening, it just keeps yanking us in the wrong direction.
 
I don't thin it would work. Imho knife rights and akti do more than one single person could do. Plus individuals come under more scrutiny than large groups. I've talked with anti knife people and you just can't have a reasonable conversation with someone when they refuse to acknowledge facts, logic and reasonable thinking. Their answer for everything is "more laws". What like the laws criminals dont abide by? Sure. Why didn't we think of that.
 
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Agreed, the more good guys armed the fewer bad guys there would be.

I too like OC by the way (I am aware of the controversy as well).
We're not to far off in opinions. Good to see you around quiet.
Quiet said:
Agreed. To be clear, I am for 100% open carry everywhere (I am aware of all the arguments between conceal-only, and OC). I honestly believe that this would keep people who are considering becoming criminals in check. How many mass-shootings would have been avoided if the guy knew that he was going to have about 30 seconds before rounds started coming in from every direction? Every mass shooting with one or two exceptions reaffirms my belief. Those crazies always end themselves as soon as rounds start coming their way, or when people with guns show up. Knives, same way I think. I think that if more people carried knives, it wouldn't be a thing. It'd be nice to get to that point, but I think we have a ways to go until we get there, and with all of the bad stuff that keeps happening, it just keeps yanking us in the wrong direction.
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There is never going to be a time, and there never really was a time, when everyone is going to walk around with weapons.

One of the perks of civilization is that you don't need to do that, and as much as we talk about violence, the chance of anyone who doesn't live in a ghetto of being attacked with a deadly weapon is much, much lower than falling off a ladder.

People would rather carry phones than weapons, and that's the way it is going to be. Talking about how it "should be" is a distraction from dealing with the reality of what is. We are a largely unarmed society that tolerates weapons. There is no reason that is going to change into some Robert Heinlein book in our lifetimes, so why discuss things that aren't going to happen?
 
Jean Rasczak: All right, let's sum up. This year in history, we talked about the failure of democracy, how the social scientists of the 21st Century brought our world to the brink of chaos. We talked about the veterans, how they took control and imposed the stability that has lasted for generations since. We talked about the rights and privileges between those who served in the armed forces and those who haven't, therefore called citizens and civilians. [to a student] You. Why are only citizens allowed to vote?
Student: It's a reward. Something the federation gives you for doing federal service.
Jean Rasczak: No. Something given has no basis in value. When you vote, you are exercising political authority, you're using force. And force, my friends, is violence. The supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived.
Dizzy: My mother always told me that violence doesn't solve anything.
Jean Rasczak: Really? I wonder what the city founders of Hiroshima would have to say about that. [to Carmen] You.
Carmen: They wouldn't say anything. Hiroshima was destroyed.
Jean Rasczak: Correct. Naked force has resolved more issues throughout world history than any other factor. The contrary opinion that violence never solves anything is wishful thinking at its worst.
 
Yea Ok. Your opinion has been noted and I disagree.

RX-79G said:
There is never going to be a time, and there never really was a time, when everyone is going to walk around with weapons.

One of the perks of civilization is that you don't need to do that, and as much as we talk about violence, the chance of anyone who doesn't live in a ghetto of being attacked with a deadly weapon is much, much lower than falling off a ladder.

People would rather carry phones than weapons, and that's the way it is going to be. Talking about how it "should be" is a distraction from dealing with the reality of what is. We are a largely unarmed society that tolerates weapons. There is no reason that is going to change into some Robert Heinlein book in our lifetimes, so why discuss things that aren't going to happen?
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shinyedges said:
Agreed, the more good guys armed the fewer bad guys there would be.

I too like OC by the way (I am aware of the controversy as well).
We're not to far off in opinions. Good to see you around quiet.
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Good to see you too brother, I got busy at work and wasn't around as much for awhile. :thumbup:
 
Ashton Kutcher is a knife nut (routinely carries an Emerson) and has a harmless enough persona and public image to be suitable for portraying the knife as a valuable tool rather than a "tough guy" Hollywood weapon.
 
On a side note I see you got a ratmandu in your profile pic and I got one coming in tomorrow, pretty excited.
Quiet said:
Good to see you too brother, I got busy at work and wasn't around as much for awhile. :thumbup:
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Mines green on black but will be stripped immediately, Soooo looking forward to my mashedcat sheath coming in since I can't make my own awesome sheaths like you do.
Charlie Mike said:
I got 2 on order... Black on black.
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tool
noun
1. a device or implement, especially one held in the hand, used to carry out a particular function.

No matter how much one may try to convince themselves that a knife is nothing more than a "tool", the general public will never believe that. If a knife is truly nothing more than a "tool", why is it being carried around in a pocket/on a belt? A hammer is also a "tool", yet most of us probably do not carry around a hammer. A knife has only one function: to serve as a cutting instrument. Most people do not use a knife frequently enough to justify carrying it around on their person at all times.
 
shinyedges said:
On a side note I see you got a ratmandu in your profile pic and I got one coming in tomorrow, pretty excited.
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Charlie Mike said:
I got 2 on order... Black on black.
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Excellent knife. Can't wait to see 'em, gents.

I will admit however, that I haven't gotten to really use it, because honestly, my Rodent 9 has been destroying everything in its path so I tend to grab that from my collection when going out for the weekend instead. My camping setup lately has included a Cold Steel Ultimate Hunter in my pocket, and my Rodent 9 on my belt. I have chopped through a lot of oak with ease. I won't say the knife has remained shaving sharp, but it's still sharp enough to bite through whatever I need to chop. I expect that the Ratmandu would stand up to similar abuse.
 
Blade Worker said:
tool
noun
1. a device or implement, especially one held in the hand, used to carry out a particular function.

No matter how much one may try to convince themselves that a knife is nothing more than a "tool", the general public will never believe that. If a knife is truly nothing more than a "tool", why is it being carried around in a pocket/on a belt? A hammer is also a "tool", yet most of us probably do not carry around a hammer. A knife has only one function: to serve as a cutting instrument. Most people do not use a knife frequently enough to justify carrying it around on their person at all times.
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AND... Another one bites the dust...
CM please post a link to you know what, re: hammer!
Tell me about it later, because this ones going straight to ignore...
 
Blade Worker said:
tool
noun
1. a device or implement, especially one held in the hand, used to carry out a particular function.

No matter how much one may try to convince themselves that a knife is nothing more than a "tool", the general public will never believe that. If a knife is truly nothing more than a "tool", why is it being carried around in a pocket/on a belt? A hammer is also a "tool", yet most of us probably do not carry around a hammer. A knife has only one function: to serve as a cutting instrument. Most people do not use a knife frequently enough to justify carrying it around on their person at all times.
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Well put. Though I do see pocket knives as largely below most people's radar. I don't think a pocket knife signals violence any more than a key chain bottle opener denotes alcoholism.


However, carrying a bayonet in a populated area is cos-play. It announces to the world that you are as engaged in your society as someone dressed like a vampire. You might be viewed as a potentially serious source of violence, but not serious about much else.

Rural areas are another story, but while knives are more common in the country, tolerance of non-conformity is generally lower. A Buck 119 might blend, but a Buckmaster, not so much.
 
6850 said:
AND... Another one bites the dust...
CM please post a link to you know what, re: hammer!
Tell me about it later, because this ones going straight to ignore...
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[video=youtube;kjN4l8luNy4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjN4l8luNy4[/video]
 
Blade Worker said:
tool
noun
1. a device or implement, especially one held in the hand, used to carry out a particular function.

No matter how much one may try to convince themselves that a knife is nothing more than a "tool", the general public will never believe that. If a knife is truly nothing more than a "tool", why is it being carried around in a pocket/on a belt? A hammer is also a "tool", yet most of us probably do not carry around a hammer. A knife has only one function: to serve as a cutting instrument. Most people do not use a knife frequently enough to justify carrying it around on their person at all times.
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..... do you know that you're on a knife forum?
 
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