BRAINSTORM: Knife ambassador to the public?

[killgar]

Nobody really notices. Everyone has their nose in their phones.

And many who do notice just mind their own business. People typically prefer to avoid any sort of "confrontation" with strangers, and a person who is visibly carrying a knife is not someone that most people would want to "confront" by saying something critical to.

 

[John_0917]

Richard Dean Anderson...obviously

 

[killgar]

I'll wager that if a network re-made MacGuyver today that instead of a swiss army knife, he would solve all of his problems using apps on a smartphone. After all, that is what so many people do these day "I have a flat tire. Better find a How to change a tire app".

 

[stabman]

I'll wager that if a network re-made MacGuyver today that instead of a swiss army knife, he would solve all of his problems using apps on a smartphone. After all, that is what so many people do these day "I have a flat tire. Better find a How to change a tire app".

I think he'd still have a Swiss Army Knife, or maybe a Leatherman.
In our age of accelerated technological growth, there is a wide desire for "the good old days" as well.
Solving the world's problems with a Swiss Army Knife fulfills that need.

 

[22-rimfire]

I think a Macguyver would have both a pliers based multi-tool and a sak.

 

[22-rimfire]

My 2¢ is the guy who took the time to know he can't conceal a certain knife so he openly carries it isn't the criminal.

Or he is crazy, doesn't care what other people think, or does not have any reasoning skills at all. If I see a person wearing a BK-9 at the grocery store, it seems a bit odd to me really and I wonder about that person. If the same person has a knife concealed, there is simply no reaction what so ever. There does seem to be a lot of crazy's these days and I don't really understand it. What made them crazy? Drugs..... taking meth and they believe everyone is an adversary? You see, this ain't "normal".

 

[B.F.U]

I'm not talking about "knife rights". The comparison to trying to normalize the appearance of guns in society is appropriate to this discussion.

Nor am I saying how anyone "should" feel about anything. If YOU want to wear a katana to go bowling, I'm cool with that. Just don't expect to see your katana wearing style as the beginning of a sea-change in how people view carrying knives. It will only have the opposite effect. That's not right or wrong, just the truth.

You can complain about "society" all you want, but it existed before you came along and will after. The ability of small groups to affect normative change through non-normative behavior is extremely limited. If you look like you don't care what people think, they'll return the favor.


And that is ALL I am saying. Do whatever you want, just don't expect to change minds as you draw attention to yourself.




In terms of popularizing knives, find stories of people saving lives/doing good by using their knife for something other than as a weapon. Aron Ralston or someone like that can certainly speak to the importance of having a useful tool around for the unexpected.

Carrying an AK47 in public is comparable to carrying a Katana in public, yes, because they are both weapons. But nobody here is talking about Katanas. Again, your mentality is the problem. You equate normalizing tool knives with forcing weapons into the public sphere for no reason, you are a sensationalist.

And if you think small groups have never changed normative society with non normative behavior, you need to read a little deeper into the majority of revolutions (both cultural and political).

 

[madcap_magician]

I think you can already look to the hipster movement for that ambassador. As annoying as they can be, there is a big move among people my age (30) and younger than me (I'm a borderline millennial) to go back to things that work. Analog audio, flannel shirts, boots.

I read this and saw "... things that work. Analog audio, flannel shirts, boobs."

And that sounded pretty good to me. What you actually said what less exciting.

 

[B.F.U]

Or he is crazy, doesn't care what other people think, or does not have any reasoning skills at all. If I see a person wearing a BK-9 at the grocery store, it seems a bit odd to me really and I wonder about that person. If the same person has a knife concealed, there is simply no reaction what so ever. There does seem to be a lot of crazy's these days and I don't really understand it. What made them crazy? Drugs..... taking meth and they believe everyone is an adversary? You see, this ain't "normal".

CM doesn't care what you think of him I'd wager, and I don't care what your opinion of carrying knives is, and I don't know you, but your post is one I would think would only come from a very lowly person.

 

[22-rimfire]

This post was not about CM. It was more general. CM does not carry a BK-9.

 

[Charlie Mike]

This post was not about CM. It was more general. CM does not carry a BK-9.

No. But I did carry a ZT9 while I was on meth.

 

[PURPLEDC]

tool
noun
1. a device or implement, especially one held in the hand, used to carry out a particular function.

No matter how much one may try to convince themselves that a knife is nothing more than a "tool", the general public will never believe that. If a knife is truly nothing more than a "tool", why is it being carried around in a pocket/on a belt? A hammer is also a "tool", yet most of us probably do not carry around a hammer. A knife has only one function: to serve as a cutting instrument. Most people do not use a knife frequently enough to justify carrying it around on their person at all times.

I use a knife more than any other tool ever created. Hence why I choose to carry one. If I didn't need one and didn't use it then I would not. Anything can be a weapon if used as such. If someone fears my knife then they really fear me. I don't need a knife to hurt someone. The point is I don't want to hurt anyone. And I don't need to change the way I do things because some fear what they don't understand.

There is never going to be a time, and there never really was a time, when everyone is going to walk around with weapons.

One of the perks of civilization is that you don't need to do that, and as much as we talk about violence, the chance of anyone who doesn't live in a ghetto of being attacked with a deadly weapon is much, much lower than falling off a ladder.

People would rather carry phones than weapons, and that's the way it is going to be. Talking about how it "should be" is a distraction from dealing with the reality of what is. We are a largely unarmed society that tolerates weapons. There is no reason that is going to change into some Robert Heinlein book in our lifetimes, so why discuss things that aren't going to happen?

Um, there certainly was a time when everyone was armed. There wasn't always 911 and a false sense of security. Things change. And they change because people act. If no one acts sure no change takes place. But I would not use the word "people" as if your thoughts apply to everyone. And why discuss things that aren't going to happen? Who says they wont? I understand why someone in your shoes would want to stop the conversation. That leads to action and action leads to change. So I will keep talking about things you think will never come to be.

On gun forums there is general disapproval of people "exercising their rights" by walking into Shopko with an AR15 slung on their shoulder.

Enthusiasm for your rights isn't the same as being unable to understand and exercise normal social mores.

Those people aren't disapproving of responsible concealed or open carry. They are against being a peacock doing more harm than good by being aggressive and flamboyant. Those people walking downtown with a AR are not exercising their rights. They are exploiting the limitations of their rights and the law. But that doesn't mean these people on forums believe they shouldn't carry. They just don't believe the demonstrations to any good and actually set things back. But its apples and oranges to compare a few idiots to responsible carry of most individuals who choose to do so.

And I just want to be clear about something, here: It isn't that knife or gun people should be worried about offending everyone. You should just be aware that if you walk around a mall with a dagger it demonstrates the same kind of social awareness as wearing a spacesuit, cape, crown, chaps, knee length boots, clown suit, face paint or feather boa.

You aren't normalizing the thing you're wearing as much as drawing attention to the fact that you think everyone else has the problem. And that doesn't get you (or whatever issue you're championing) very far in life.

I just have never understood why people think their fringe behavior is a way to indoctrinate society into looking at something differently. It usually goes the opposite way.

if someone is open carrying a dagger in a mall they are most likely disobeying the the rules of that mall or the law. If however no laws or rules are being broken I see no reason why they should need to hide anything for those who wish to remain uneducated. There is a difference between normal responsible carry and instigating a scene.

I think he'd still have a Swiss Army Knife, or maybe a Leatherman.
In our age of accelerated technological growth, there is a wide desire for "the good old days" as well.
Solving the world's problems with a Swiss Army Knife fulfills that need.

we will know soon enough. They are rebooting the series.

Or he is crazy, doesn't care what other people think, or does not have any reasoning skills at all. If I see a person wearing a BK-9 at the grocery store, it seems a bit odd to me really and I wonder about that person. If the same person has a knife concealed, there is simply no reaction what so ever. There does seem to be a lot of crazy's these days and I don't really understand it. What made them crazy? Drugs..... taking meth and they believe everyone is an adversary? You see, this ain't "normal".

IMHO its crazy to think that a crazy person would openly carry a large knife in public within his rights minding his own business. I mean if he was crazy don't you think maybe something a bit more nefarious would be taking place if he was in fact crazy? I think its just as likely that some of society has become overly sensitive. One might even say I think THEY are crazy.

 

[B.F.U]

Or he is crazy, doesn't care what other people think, or does not have any reasoning skills at all. If I see a person wearing a BK-9 at the grocery store, it seems a bit odd to me really and I wonder about that person. If the same person has a knife concealed, there is simply no reaction what so ever. There does seem to be a lot of crazy's these days and I don't really understand it. What made them crazy? Drugs..... taking meth and they believe everyone is an adversary? You see, this ain't "normal".

Was the post you quoted not in reference to CM's knife carrying? If not I misread and retract my statement.

 

[Charlie Mike]

The worst thing about PTSD (and self medicating with drugs/alcohol) is that when you get sober, you can't blaim the paranoia on the drugs!

 

[BlueSpartan007]

I can only imagine that they are paying a high dollar for what is called 'product placement' as it is recognized that image sells stuff. There's lots of very guidable people out there with money burning a hole in their pockets.

Gibbs' rules are a big part of his character and Rule #9 is "Never go anywhere without a knife" so the kitchen scene was reinforcing that. All his team members carry a knife.

I recall that after the episode in which Gibbs and DiNozzo both had ZT03** knives, the knife forum chatter about the ZTs went way up as did sales of those knives from internet knife dealers so product placement works. Gibbs also wears a lot of Carhartt clothing prominently displaying the labels.

I wonder how many people who purchased a ZT03** after seeing Gibbs carry one actually liked them when they discovered they weigh a half pound.

All-in-all, I'd say NCIS has been a good knife ambassador and has had a positive effect on the perception of the public about carrying knives and using them as tools. :thumbup:

They'd have to be. It was no "pull out and deploy" right before an action packed scene, it was a relatively lengthy scene. They even had his wife (not all too familiar with the show, just happened to turn it on) say something along the lines of, "You know we have peelers in here for a reason?", which brought everyone watching to focus their attention on the ZT.

Thanks for clearing the model, wasn't sure which one it was. Just recognized the notable tiger stripes. I'd say so as well, even from the little bit I've overseen.

 

[Stygian]

I guess I need to travel more. I live in liberal Portland Oregon and pocket knives are extremely common, there's little to no judgement or hover parent stares. From my perspective in the PNW a knife ambassador is not needed.

 

[PURPLEDC]

The worst thing about PTSD (and self medicating with drugs/alcohol) is that when you get sober, you can't blaim the paranoia on the drugs!

Aint that the truth. But I still don't call it paranoid. I call it forward thinking and preparing for the worst. What can eventually will happen.

 

[Charlie Mike]

Aint that the truth. But I still don't call it paranoid. I call it forward thinking and preparing for the worst. What can eventually will happen.

[video=youtube;IB6OAF9voA8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB6OAF9voA8[/video]

 

[6850]

Aint that the truth. But I still don't call it paranoid. I call it forward thinking and preparing for the worst. What can eventually will happen.

"Just because I'm paranoid don't mean no one is after me" : Steve Earle.

I like to refer to it as hyper-vigilance.🔫🔪🔦🐺

 

[22-rimfire]

Was the post you quoted not in reference to CM's knife carrying? If not I misread and retract my statement.

ALLHSS, you obviously have not spent much time around people to regularly take drugs. That is not "lowly" at all. Many are not normal people. Crazy? Who knows. But I think they are crazy to subject their bodies to these substances.

As I recall, I only quoted a portion of that post. Yes the response that I quoted was about CM, but that doesn't mean my post had anything to do with him or my feelings toward him, or after your posts, YOU. I grabbed a tidbit and used it in my post to illustrate my opinion.

The concept that anyone who openly carries a large knife that is within the law, does not take into account people's reactions to them or their intent. I can carry a sword if I want to in my state; I won't though. I won't even carry my Spydie Endura because it is too large for me and people react to my opening it. As CM said, most people are buried in their cell phones these days and notice nothing. But I notice. I also carry a firearm (concealed).

Added: With regard to regular meth users, they are generally paranoid (not forward thinking).