Bravo 1? Now I'm worried

You'd be surprised how many people care about the integrity of the manufacturer, as well as the integrity of his product.
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Yeah I can understand that and I feel the same to a point too, but how many times must the dead horse be beat and dragged through the mud?

I would agree that some QC improvements are needed and more attention to bevel grinding needs to be taken but what company can't you say that about? If I would have seen some of the threads I've seen now I would have never bought my brother a Bravo 2 and we both would have never know of its excellent performance. If the user does not understand the tool or its proper use or it maintenance then they should not be using it. Instead we get ridiculous test that a knife must endure for it to be approved and if it fails fault will be pointed in every direction but at the user. It's a strange way for things get judged is you ask me.
 
knifenut1013 said:
Luke, LEARN TO SHARPEN


mmmotorcycle, I could easily name 10 knife companies that have a similar warranty, its nothing special. Plus the knives themselves are pretty plain and lack a lot of performance that the BRKT has. And finally who gives a rats ass about someones personal life..... Ooo wait, were on the internet.

+1 Pitdog
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Okay, name 10 companies that will replace your knife for the cost of shipping should you break it while abusing it. Go ahead, I would LOVE to see you try that!:)

Performance of some Bark Rivers must be decent. However, I have seen plenty of reports that suggest otherwise when heat treatment and grinding is sub-par on so many knives. I have yet to see a single issue with ESEE knives heat treatment or initial edge. Also, it should be noted that just because Bark River puts a nice satin finish of the blades and polishes up the hundreds of redundant handle materials, they are not 'all that' when it comes to performance.

As for personal lives not mattering, I pretty much agree. Mike Stewart has had MANY instances where he has PUBLICLY screwed people over, been called out for doing so, or taken to court for doing so. That no longer counts as his personal life. But rather the public sphere where HE is held accountable for his conduct. He is NOT an honorable or trustworthy man and he lacks a lot of integrity. If you support him as a person, you are just as worse in my mind.

Yeah, many knife companies have QC issues on occasion but rarely at the price point of a Bark River. A 'custom' design with some fancy handles should be just as nice as knives 1/4th or 1/2 the cost from other manufacturers. When you talk about ~$200 knives there should be NO excuse for many of the issues BRKT has had. To clarify, I am not talking about any silly destruction tests but rather edge rolling due to poor heat treatment and grinding.

Maybe this comes off as strong but I guess I just refuse to buy products from people who have no integrity and lie there way through life.....

P.S. A horse has to be dragged until it is exposed for what it is and until people all except the truth about said 'horse' and stop sending it their money :D
 
I guess I just look at it differently, I buy knives of good materials and construction and if by some odd reason I break it it's usually my fault and I am able to explain the reasons to myself. I do not expect ANY company to replace a knife when I know why it broke, that would just be wrong on my part to expect such. If its a obvious fault in construction or materials then it's a different story but that's few a far between compared to cosmetic issues that are so often blown up.

I respect your views but mine are different... it happens ;)
 
Personaly I would never look at a 4" bladed knife as suitable for chopping. Blades that size I use a baton instead. And BRKT's thin convex edges have stood up to batonning with no problems at all.
 
Some have, some have not...
...which is why concerns over heat-treatment and quality control have come up. No one questions the aesthetic appeal of the knives, but functional durability is an important aspect of any tool, and given the price of these particular tools, reasonable expectations regarding that functional durability have on occasion fallen drastically short. This does not mean that every BR knife will disappoint, only that it is more of a gamble and at higher cost than another manufacturer might be...

I agree that the knife is too small for efficient chopping, and it is also quite thick, which hampers batonning, in my personal experience with my own Bravo1 (which, btw, has not had any edge issues yet). Short and thick, it proved quite inefficient except through thinner branches. A thinner, longer blade (my Cattaraugus 225Q in this case) has proved more useful, allowing greater purchase for the baton as the blade passes through the material being cut/split, also wedging less due to the thinner stock.

I assume the OP has already purchased a Bravo1, so it is too late to dissuade him or I would add my words to those recommending a different knife from a different, more reputable manufacturer. Just my $0.02.
 
Just got a bravo 1 prior to the holidays. I have batoned the knife cross cut and with the grain in frozen red oak, silver maple, and olive. I tested this knife more than I normally would due to all the recent negative comments. My Bravo 1 has held up very well. Edge retention is great with no rolling at all. It feels might lighter in hand than I expected. Happy customer here.
 
mmmotorcycle said:
Okay, name 10 companies that will replace your knife for the cost of shipping should you break it while abusing it. Go ahead, I would LOVE to see you try that!:)

Performance of some Bark Rivers must be decent. However, I have seen plenty of reports that suggest otherwise when heat treatment and grinding is sub-par on so many knives. I have yet to see a single issue with ESEE knives heat treatment or initial edge. Also, it should be noted that just because Bark River puts a nice satin finish of the blades and polishes up the hundreds of redundant handle materials, they are not 'all that' when it comes to performance.

As for personal lives not mattering, I pretty much agree. Mike Stewart has had MANY instances where he has PUBLICLY screwed people over, been called out for doing so, or taken to court for doing so. That no longer counts as his personal life. But rather the public sphere where HE is held accountable for his conduct. He is NOT an honorable or trustworthy man and he lacks a lot of integrity. If you support him as a person, you are just as worse in my mind.

Yeah, many knife companies have QC issues on occasion but rarely at the price point of a Bark River. A 'custom' design with some fancy handles should be just as nice as knives 1/4th or 1/2 the cost from other manufacturers. When you talk about ~$200 knives there should be NO excuse for many of the issues BRKT has had. To clarify, I am not talking about any silly destruction tests but rather edge rolling due to poor heat treatment and grinding.

Maybe this comes off as strong but I guess I just refuse to buy products from people who have no integrity and lie there way through life.....

P.S. A horse has to be dragged until it is exposed for what it is and until people all except the truth about said 'horse' and stop sending it their money :D
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Well from personal experience. Bark River:thumbup: will do that.

I have several ESEE blades. See my Sig below. But i have more, much more Bark River. Not a single one has come to me less sharp then the ESEE and they are all convex (done by hand). It could very well be that they had a bad run, I dont doubt it. For the love of God, Benchmade sucks beyond reason on their grinds, I have bough 12 BM folders this year. Not a one can cut paper on initial run, including my Gold Class Grip CPM M4. Yet many on this forum would still swear by BM.

I have battoned with my GameKeeper 2 and Bravo 2 with no problem. I have done light chopping without issue, and still with just a strop take them to the kitchen and slice and dice.


As a company owner I can tell you that there always more then one correct side to a public argument and us little people not matter what are never privy to the full details.

I would take a Bark River over a fixed BM any day, I would put it on par with my ESEE and Becker blades for quality. as for warrenty, not a single issue with them. And their new blades in CPM 3V... oh wow. The Bravo 1 is coming out in CPM 3V. that should be super.
 
Can anyone comment about the integrity of Ray Ennis' Entrek knives? I dont hear much about them, but what I do hear is good.
 
Don't worry about mmm whatever his name is, he's a 19 year old punk that thinks he's god's gift to ethics and he wants everyone to know it. If he gets you in his sights he'll follow you around and drag your posts down every chance he gets.

I'd recommend everyone put him on ignore. There's no use arguing with him as he has no set standards of his own, he'll just swap to the other side of the argument to spite you.

Not worth your time and not worth mine.
 
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BBQ BOY said:
Iv'e had 2 Bravo-1's and both let me down. Other than that I love the knife. Very comfortable and great size. Bummer.
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This doesn't compute! They let you down but you love them? How did they let you down? I have one and it is a wonderful tool, sharp and strong. I also have a Gunny and an STS-5 plus a variety of knives made by many different makers and from my experience over 60 years I feel I can say that Bark River doesn't make crappy knives...quite the opposite.
If you have the time and the inclination, I would really like to know what happened that the Bravo 1 let you down twice.

Best regards
Leo
 
Zombie Zeke said:
Basing a knife purchase worry on anything Noss does is like worrying about buying a '68 Hemi 'Cuda because the sixteen year down the block ran the one his daddy bought him into a tree on a drunken bender.

Get the Bravo and use it like crazy.
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Hahaha, this is the perfect response. I completely agree.

If you're really that concerned about your fixed blade habits, you can buy something with a no questions asked, life time warranty, too.
 
mmmotorcycle said:
Okay, name 10 companies that will replace your knife for the cost of shipping should you break it while abusing it. Go ahead, I would LOVE to see you try that!:)

Performance of some Bark Rivers must be decent. However, I have seen plenty of reports that suggest otherwise when heat treatment and grinding is sub-par on so many knives. I have yet to see a single issue with ESEE knives heat treatment or initial edge. Also, it should be noted that just because Bark River puts a nice satin finish of the blades and polishes up the hundreds of redundant handle materials, they are not 'all that' when it comes to performance.

As for personal lives not mattering, I pretty much agree. Mike Stewart has had MANY instances where he has PUBLICLY screwed people over, been called out for doing so, or taken to court for doing so. That no longer counts as his personal life. But rather the public sphere where HE is held accountable for his conduct. He is NOT an honorable or trustworthy man and he lacks a lot of integrity. If you support him as a person, you are just as worse in my mind.

Yeah, many knife companies have QC issues on occasion but rarely at the price point of a Bark River. A 'custom' design with some fancy handles should be just as nice as knives 1/4th or 1/2 the cost from other manufacturers. When you talk about ~$200 knives there should be NO excuse for many of the issues BRKT has had. To clarify, I am not talking about any silly destruction tests but rather edge rolling due to poor heat treatment and grinding.

Maybe this comes off as strong but I guess I just refuse to buy products from people who have no integrity and lie there way through life.....

P.S. A horse has to be dragged until it is exposed for what it is and until people all except the truth about said 'horse' and stop sending it their money :D
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I think maybe you go a bit far with your accusations regarding Mike and his alleged lack of integrity. To publicly call out a man with these, and I will use the word,' malicious' comments, is beneath you I think and may be close to defamation. My advice is to stop while you are ahead. He is a friend of mine and a designer of fine knives...I find your comments objectionable and if someone made comments like that about you, I would feel just the same even though I don't know you. This is neither the place nor the time for this kind of stuff. I am surprised that the Moderators have let you get this far. I am out of here.

Leo
 
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Look up bluntruth4u on youtube and see his series on Bravo 1: shelter building, comparison to Fallkniven F1, various ESEE like Izula, RC 4, etc. He seems to know a few things and comes off as honest.

In terms of destruction tests, they are fun to view but are not how knives are used, generally speaking. I would look for what outdoor people have to say about a Bravo 1 and see what they think relative to actual camp use. Go on a buscraft/survival forum and see what they say, not NOS.
 
leomitch said:
I think maybe you go a bit far with your accusations regarding Mike and his alleged lack of integrity. To publicly call out a man with these, and I will use the word,' malicious' comments, is beneath you I think and may be close to defamation. My advice is to stop while you are ahead. He is a friend of mine and a designer of fine knives...I find your comments objectionable and if someone made comments like that about you, I would feel just the same even though I don't know you. This is neither the place nor the time for this kind of stuff. I am surprised that the Moderators have let you get this far. I am out of here.

Leo
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I see no reason to get deep into this issue, but there were a few incidents with the maker that got a little out of hand. My advice is to read up, everything here is archived.
 
I bought a Dozier. Famous for sharp, yes? 1000's have said so. No reason to doubt in general. I had tested the edges of a dozen that I didn't buy -- very sharp. This particular knife was very dull. Could not remotely saw through the edge of bond paper.

Being an adult, I sharpened it, although D2 at 60-61 is no joy to sharpen. Not a big deal. In fact -- DARN! -- I failed to post here that Dozier had sent out a dull knife.

I love the knife (Slim Outdoorsman).

Knives should come sharp (Every Barkie I own came that way.) But if you own knives, a dull knife may actually come into your life, if only by actually using a knife. (Some do use knives.) The sharp-forever knife of forged unobtanium is still in 0% supply at the present time.
 
The second video from the op is straight forward. It couldn't cut a chopstick without damage to the blade. It can't be just one blade.

How many people bought that knife not knowing it is scrap, only to put it in the safe as a collectors item?

I own a few knives that have never cut anything. Now I wonder...
 
Making a knife is hard, takes time and effort.
Choosing one is easier.
Destroying one takes, all things considered, only one thing : an idiot.
 
Thomas Linton said:
The sharp-forever knife of forged unobtanium is still in 0% supply at the present time.
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Actually, there was 1 available on eBay, and I got it, so we're back to 0%. Sorry.

I had to sign a non-disclosure for it, so I can't tell you what it is...
 
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