Breaking padlocks off

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Scottman

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Anyone have any pics of them bustin apart padlocks with their tools?! I know I've seen an RMJ on youtube doing the task.
 
If you inquire with a custodian at any school you'll discover that locks are quickly and quietly removed with an inexpensive bolt cutter. The concept of using a 'fine' hatchet or tomahawk is fanciful at best and expecting the supposedly durable blade to have no marks or damage after is kinda low. Didn't Arnie in Terminator II use (as in 'pretend to') a 12 gauge to instantly remove padlocks?
 
300Six said:
If you inquire with a custodian at any school you'll discover that locks are quickly and quietly removed with an inexpensive bolt cutter. The concept of using a 'fine' hatchet or tomahawk is fanciful at best and expecting the supposedly durable blade to have no marks or damage after is kinda low. Didn't Arnie in Terminator II use (as in 'pretend to') a 12 gauge to instantly remove padlocks?
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Fanciful at best? Its one of reasons modern hawks like VTAC...RMJ...KDSH and Winkler exist. The spikes on these hawks are built to endure these stresses.

The RMJ and VTAC specifically use an obtuse edge for busting locks. Do some homework on these hawks before commenting man.
 
BTW.....tell our military, swat and LE units around the world how "fanciful" it is and see what they say
 
This is a test I'll be doing on my Wrecker model upcoming, though Shaw11b has already done so with his. I'll shoot some video and some photos when I do so.

300Six - You seem to have a beef with anything that is a modern "tactical" 'hawk. That's your prerogative. But there are plenty of folks out there who may have need of using a 'hawk on a lock, and your needs are not a factor in their decision. Yes, a pair of bolt cutters may do the job more quickly and easily, but they weigh more, are bulkier, and are a one-purpose tool. A well-made tactical 'hawk is lighter, slimmer, and multi-functional. When you're hoofing 50+ pounds of other gear and getting shot at, that may be a factor in what kind of tool you choose to add to your loadout.

I don't know of a tactical 'hawk on the market I'd describe as "fine". The Winklers with wooden handle slabs come closest. I don't consider an AR or a DMR to be a "fine" firearm either, but they are very capable and there are fellows out there who use them for very difficult jobs. They can end up costing more than something with a wooden stock and engraving. Both can be well-built, functional firearms, but they are built for different purposes and different needs.

The 'hawks I've seen busting locks are using their spikes in the same manner as you'd use a halligan tool to apply leverage until the hasp snaps, not their cutting edge. There could be videos out there showing such, but not the ones I've encountered. I'd be interested in seeing a video of a 'hawk busting a lock with the cutting edge. Until I see such, I assume you're deriding a technique that's not actually used. If such is produced and the 'hawk survives with minimal damage, then your derision is unwarranted.

And Arnie used a 10 gauge. :D
 
James,
This post (#6 up above) wins for calmest, most rational and well-thought out response to a narrow-minded, unnecessarily judgmental post on an internet forum. That's a new award category at the oscars this year :)
Can't wait for you to get around to the batch of hawks that will include mine ;)
 
Storm Crow said:
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Terminator_2
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300six If this were chess I'd say Checkmate!
Hawks are slowly gaining momentum among my co workers as a viable tool.
300six-when you have to bail out on an emergency response whats your loadout?
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Burglars wont spend that on a fine piece of gear they'll just kick in a door or go though a window!
 
300Six said:
Guy in this video did SFA except twist a non-hardened chain! But he did have a fearsome-looking thing to do it with. And the tip on it didn't break off. Whoo hoo, so now I gotta run out and buy one of these and put my sedate and proven bolt cutters and Milwaukee Sawzall out to pasture!
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No. If you feel like a tactical tomahawk doesn't suit your needs, there's a real simple solution: don't buy one. There is no one saying that you should. In fact, if it's something you find ridiculous and unnecessary for your needs, I actively encourage you to buy some other tool that does.

Did you watch the same video I did? 'Cuz I saw a good-sized Master Lock get snapped, not the chain. It looked to me like it was Ryan Johnson doing the demonstration, in under 10 seconds, who has done the same demonstration with his tomahawks plenty of times. And I have no idea what the Scottish Football Association had to do with it. :D I've talked with Ryan, and I bet he too would actively discourage you from buying one of his 'hawks if you don't think it fits your needs.

Scottman asked for photos of people busting padlocks "with their tools". A task that has been done numerous times by various tactical 'hawks, sometimes in demonstration and sometimes in need. So how exactly are you contributing to the conversation? So far Alocksly is the only one who's actually posted anything showing what was asked for.

Why are you getting so bent out of shape over other people's gear choices? Take the cutting implement of your choice and go do what you need to with it and let others do the same.
 
How would you bust open a padlock that's on mounted eyelets? I mean, when there's no chain to twist.

Is there some technique or do you just swing the hawk?
 
Couple of things here.....

First off, considering his line of work, Im pretty sure the pic that WJC01 posted has to do with his training......not neighborhood antics that could land someone in jail.

As far as busting locks without a chain to twist.......the user uses the blade of the tomahawk to destroy the lock. Like I said in my above post.....the VTAC and RMJ (Shrike) specifically design their tomahawks with an obtuse edge for chopping through heavy gauge materials such as metals to minimize edge damage. There are articles on American Tomahawk Company's website about the VTAC being used to hack through locks.

This is a well recognized design feature among many military/swat, LE and rescue units that encounter these types of situations.

Finally......300six. I have a question for you. Why do you insist on continuing to post comments on subjects you clearly know nothing about? You are destroying any credibility you may have left. You then proceed to fuel the otherwise good discussion with childlike responses to illicit an argument. This is the second post in just a few days youve done this......What's your angle?
 
Snakebreaker said:
Couple of things here.....
Finally......300six. I have a question for you. Why do you insist on continuing to post comments on subjects you clearly know nothing about? You are destroying any credibility you may have left. You then proceed to fuel the otherwise good discussion with childlike responses to illicit an argument. This is the second post in just a few days youve done this......What's your angle?
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I will endeavor to stay well clear of these threads. I know plenty enough about striking tools to be unable to fathom anyone's preoccupation with trying to justify expensive toys!
For many hundreds of years a firefighter would efficiently heft a purpose-built "axe" in order to remove a lock, force a door, or chop a hole in the roof of a house. Professionals then, and even more so now, would have been embarrassed to be seen trying to 'beaver' through something (metal or wood) with a glorified hatchet. Modern technology has mostly supplanted those old but well-designed fire axes (ever wondered why they never had metal handles?) with hydraulics and gas-powered devices.
There you go Snakebreaker, I'm now entirely done, stated my view and will leave you folks in peace.
 
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