Breathable backpacks?

The ALICE has it's place, as do all external frames. I've humped well over 150 lbs several times on large alice packs while I was in the military, and 80+lbs on a regular basis. Unmodified, it can be very painful. With all of the right mods and tweaks it can be pretty decent. If you're on a budget then it can be had for pretty cheap and you can replace the frame with better versions, have the bag modified or replace it with a better bag, etc. (which then takes the cost up there with very good quality backpacking packs).

I personally do not like external frames, especially for off trail use. The center of gravity is too far back to allow good balance, and it's so wide (like a large ALICE) that it's awkward to dangerous in tight places (I've carried heavy loads through the Black Forest in Germany, which is called the Black Forest for a reason. It's densely populated to the point of dark in places, making an external frame pack a wresting match every step of the way. Don't even get me started on the jungle!).

That being said, they can be great for large, heavy and/or awkward loads. Hunting guides often use them because they can be great for packing out quarters and racks. They can be used to haul fuel or water cans, firewood, firefighter tools, etc. Packboards are still used by several hunting guide friends of mine because of their versatility, and some of them you can just throw a packbag on it to convert it over to a regular external frame backpack. And as Magnussen pointed out, they allow great air circulation, compared to internal frames, no matter what system I've used on the internal frame.

Some modern day internal frames can haul as well or better than external frames, and some of them can be converted to packboards (Kifaru and Mystery Ranch, for example). I have an old Dana Designs Astralplane Overkill that has carried 150lbs loads much more comfortably than my old heavily modified and very expensive ALICE (at about $200 for mods it's still less than half the price of the Dana, though). I have a Beavertail for it that allows me to carry some awkward loads (such as my issued Pelican rifle case), but it's on the outside of the pack towards back, robbing it of good balance.

Hmmmm...I think I've gotten off topic. Severe lack of sleep due to illness.

To try to steer my meandering thought process back to the OT: it sounds like you want a smaller pack. Something like the Deuter or Osprey systems (they're lighter than the Lowe Alpine trampoline back on my pack) would probably serve you well and can be nice in humid areas. If you're on a budget then the ALICE might be a good choice, too.

If you live near an REI or other good store then you can try several of them side by side. Bring your gear or use theirs but pack the bag similarly to how you want to pack it, try them all on and figure out what works best for you. What I love for my purposes may be ghastly to you for your purposes.
 
Take a look at badlands new packs. They only come in camo as far as I know but they have a frame to keep the pack from contacting your back. Sort of an internal/external frame pack
 
no such thing as a breathable backpack, not now, not in the past, not in the future.

. SIMPLE FACT is if there is ANY material, ether it be exomesh or whatever, touching your back, and your are physically moving or walking, you are going to SWEAT. You can hike naked and your entire body will still get covered in sweat.

even you construct a frame to elevate the pack off several inches away from your back, your still gonna sweat where the hipbelt and shoulder straps are. You will also still sweat on the back, its physically impossible to avoid sweating unless you cover your back with anti perspirent (NOT recomennded)

even the DEUTER AIR KONTACT packs, with their generous use of exomesh on the back, make you sweat. Its compounds when you start adding clothing on top of your base layer.
 
no such thing as a breathable backpack, not now, not in the past, not in the future.

. SIMPLE FACT is if there is ANY material, ether it be exomesh or whatever, touching your back, and your are physically moving or walking, you are going to SWEAT. You can hike naked and your entire body will still get covered in sweat.

even you construct a frame to elevate the pack off several inches away from your back, your still gonna sweat where the hipbelt and shoulder straps are. You will also still sweat on the back, its physically impossible to avoid sweating unless you cover your back with anti perspirent (NOT recomennded)

even the DEUTER AIR KONTACT packs, with their generous use of exomesh on the back, make you sweat. Its compounds when you start adding clothing on top of your base layer.

i was waiting for someone to bring this up:thumbup:
 
Are there any military-type packs with the concave mesh net built in?
 
Have you seen the new "Hover Pack" from Coleman?.... It used magnetic repulsion (same as the mono-track trains) to hover the pack 2cm off your back ... without straps!!

Here's a link.

Rick
 
Hover Pack, huh? I've got more than a dozen packs, but not one of those. Got a link? I think I need one!

Wait, do I have to implant magnets under my skin, or what? Magnet implants always give me a rash.
 
Check out Deuter! Very reasonably priced, but equal if not better quality than much more expensive packs, plus they are the most comfortable I have ever used.
 
Have you seen the new "Hover Pack" from Coleman?.... It used magnetic repulsion (same as the mono-track trains) to hover the pack 2cm off your back ... without straps!!

Here's a link.

Rick

i.......... hate.......... you........ :grumpy:

i really need to think before i link
 
Another vote for Deuter... got my wife one from Mountain Equipment Coop last Christmas. She loves it.
 
I sweat to saturation point even without a pack. When I strap a pack to my back with a bit of weight in it, my exertion level rises and I sweat even more.

Ray Jardine explains that a pack is basically a foot-thick layer of insulation on your back. If you had a foot thick sleepingbag, you'd be boiling. He recommends wearing the pack on one shoulder and swapping every 15 mins or so. Obviously only possible with a small load and minimal water.

I think sweating is just what we do :)
 
I have a Deuter Futura 32 and a Vaude Pala 20. They use a similar system to enable airflow between the rucksack and the back, it works good.
 
no such thing as a breathable backpack, not now, not in the past, not in the future.

. SIMPLE FACT is if there is ANY material, ether it be exomesh or whatever, touching your back, and your are physically moving or walking, you are going to SWEAT. You can hike naked and your entire body will still get covered in sweat.

even you construct a frame to elevate the pack off several inches away from your back, your still gonna sweat where the hipbelt and shoulder straps are. You will also still sweat on the back, its physically impossible to avoid sweating unless you cover your back with anti perspirent (NOT recomennded)

even the DEUTER AIR KONTACT packs, with their generous use of exomesh on the back, make you sweat. Its compounds when you start adding clothing on top of your base layer.
So you're saying that you will sweat exactly the same with a "breathable" backpack as if you used a regular one? And you'll have the same sensation of "coolness" independent of the type of pack?
 
no i'm saying it doesn;t matter what you have on your back, your gonna sweat. Like another poster mentioned, a pack is a giant piece of insulation on your back. Adding mesh or air channels or exomesh bulges (like Dueter) will provide a sensation of "airflow" but in reality you are still sweating.

Pack manufactures need to design the backpad so it works in TANDEM with the wicking clothing your wearing. The clothes should wick moisture from the skin, into the base layer, then into the middle layer or outer layer, and finally, the pack material where it should rapidly evaporate.

I would love to see a system like that that would leave your skin/clothes dry rapidly even during heavy exertion. Not holding my breath.
 
My Kifaru XRay is a pretty breatheable pack, plus it has a good stand-off, off the back. Pretty much the only parts that touch my back are the small lower back pad and the very top part of the pack. I had a Maxpedition Condor II before and that thing had terrible breathability, the whole thing clung to my back and would make me sweat like crazy.
 
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