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Breeden with Bocote Wood ?
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Bryan, I'm looking forward to seeing the new knife. Got moved in fine today, started working at about 8:00 AM and was basically done at 11:30 AM, guess I don't kid around much with this moving stuff! It helps when you're only going a few miles though.
Even had enough time to get in a couple hours of hiking in the afternoon. Took along the wharny but went with a friend and we didn't stop to play with knives.
Even had enough time to get in a couple hours of hiking in the afternoon. Took along the wharny but went with a friend and we didn't stop to play with knives.
Hi all,
Ken that bocote on your knife looks pretty darn cool I really like the grain lines.
Jim I feel for ya. I bet you are sick of it. Yuck LOL
Rocketbomb , That was fast LOL. Where did you go hiking at?
Big Mike What is the leaf shape you are talking about? Is in the grain of the bocote or the blade shape? I hope that is not to dumb of a ? LOL
Bryan
Ken that bocote on your knife looks pretty darn cool I really like the grain lines.
Jim I feel for ya. I bet you are sick of it. Yuck LOL
Rocketbomb , That was fast LOL. Where did you go hiking at?
Big Mike What is the leaf shape you are talking about? Is in the grain of the bocote or the blade shape? I hope that is not to dumb of a ? LOL
Bryan
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Bryan, went up the Branched Oak area, just NW of Lincoln. It's not the most fantastic place I've ever been, but there's plenty of area there and a few cool spots to tromp around.
I think Big Mike is referring to the blade shape.
I think Big Mike is referring to the blade shape.
I find the profile of the blade reminiscent of a willow leaf,
I find it visually appealing. :thumbup:
:thumbup:"If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space."
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Nice work :thumbup: Love the new wood !
That knife indeed does look great. The blade shape is really nice and the handle looks confortable. I love bocote and that quartersawn piece you used has some really nice bold grain.
Have you ever seen bocote completely flatsawn? It often shows beautiful rings that is unlike any other wood I've seen. Kinda looks otherworldly. Maybe it won't be quite as stable as the quartersawn piece you used, but it's certainly an eye catcher.
Have you ever seen bocote completely flatsawn? It often shows beautiful rings that is unlike any other wood I've seen. Kinda looks otherworldly. Maybe it won't be quite as stable as the quartersawn piece you used, but it's certainly an eye catcher.
Hi all,
coaldigger thanks alot man.
PB Wilson thanks LOL I think it looks pretty cool to LOL. As to seeing bocote completely flatsawn no I have not. I do not even know what that means LOL
can you tell me about it?
I am interested in seeing what the quartersawn is. got a pic of it or a link to some?
Thanks gain all,
Bryan
coaldigger thanks alot man.
PB Wilson thanks LOL I think it looks pretty cool to LOL. As to seeing bocote completely flatsawn no I have not. I do not even know what that means LOL
can you tell me about it?
I am interested in seeing what the quartersawn is. got a pic of it or a link to some?
Thanks gain all,
Bryan
Bryan-
Quartersawn, flatsawn and riftsawn describe the direction of the grain running through the wood and how the log was cut.
If you lay your knife on its side and look at the grain from the end of the knife you'll see that it runs pretty much straight up and down. This is quartersawn or vertical grained wood. Imagine you take a small log and split it into quarters. If you saw a board off of one of the pieces the grain at the end will look something like this: lllllllllllllllll Quartersawn wood is more stable than other cuts and shows straight grain throughout the piece. It's also much more rare because it wastes a lot of wood when sawing and it's time consuming to do.
Here's a pic from the web to show the difference in grain direction depending on how it's cut:
Look at the grain lines from the end and you'll see that the quartersawn pieces have their grain going pretty much up and down. The flatsawn or plainsawn pieces have grain lines at an angle or curving across the board. Rift sawn is wood that has grain lines somewhere in-between (think 45 degrees).
The neat thing about bocote is that when it's quartersawn, it shows some cool figure called ray fleck. It's hard to describe but the following link shows come good examples. Your knife has some of this figure that I really like. You see it in some other woods like quartersawn cherry, maple, mahogany and spruce.
The coolest figure to my eye is when it's flatsawn. Most wood looks pretty ordinary when flatsawn but bocote can really come alive. I've got a couple small boards in my collection that almost look like raindrops on the water with inky black rings and swoops and swirls. It's really stunning.
Here's a link to a page of bocote samples. You can see the quartersawn examples and the ray flecking toward the top and see some of the wilder stuff towards the bottom of the page.
http://www.hobbithouseinc.com/personal/woodpics/bocote.htm
All in all, I really love wooden scales because they can add so much visual interest to a knife and when you use an oily and pretty stable wood like bocote, you get a beautiful handle that will last and last.
Again, your knife is really beautiful.
If you can't tell already, I'm a bit of a wood nut. I collect interesting pieces of domestic and exotic woods and have lots of ideas on what to make them into. It's just that some are so beautiful, I'm almost afraid to put them under the saw.
Quartersawn, flatsawn and riftsawn describe the direction of the grain running through the wood and how the log was cut.
If you lay your knife on its side and look at the grain from the end of the knife you'll see that it runs pretty much straight up and down. This is quartersawn or vertical grained wood. Imagine you take a small log and split it into quarters. If you saw a board off of one of the pieces the grain at the end will look something like this: lllllllllllllllll Quartersawn wood is more stable than other cuts and shows straight grain throughout the piece. It's also much more rare because it wastes a lot of wood when sawing and it's time consuming to do.
Here's a pic from the web to show the difference in grain direction depending on how it's cut:
Look at the grain lines from the end and you'll see that the quartersawn pieces have their grain going pretty much up and down. The flatsawn or plainsawn pieces have grain lines at an angle or curving across the board. Rift sawn is wood that has grain lines somewhere in-between (think 45 degrees).
The neat thing about bocote is that when it's quartersawn, it shows some cool figure called ray fleck. It's hard to describe but the following link shows come good examples. Your knife has some of this figure that I really like. You see it in some other woods like quartersawn cherry, maple, mahogany and spruce.
The coolest figure to my eye is when it's flatsawn. Most wood looks pretty ordinary when flatsawn but bocote can really come alive. I've got a couple small boards in my collection that almost look like raindrops on the water with inky black rings and swoops and swirls. It's really stunning.
Here's a link to a page of bocote samples. You can see the quartersawn examples and the ray flecking toward the top and see some of the wilder stuff towards the bottom of the page.
http://www.hobbithouseinc.com/personal/woodpics/bocote.htm
All in all, I really love wooden scales because they can add so much visual interest to a knife and when you use an oily and pretty stable wood like bocote, you get a beautiful handle that will last and last.
Again, your knife is really beautiful.If you can't tell already, I'm a bit of a wood nut. I collect interesting pieces of domestic and exotic woods and have lots of ideas on what to make them into. It's just that some are so beautiful, I'm almost afraid to put them under the saw.
PB Wilson, Thanks for the link and the info. That was awesome info.
those the pics were so cool. I am defenetly going to be getting more
bocote wood. The pics with the ray fleck :thumbup: I really liked seeing that.
Yea I bet you think twice about taking some of the wood you have to the saw blade LOL
Do you think putting some linseed oil and shallack finish on bocote is worth it?
I was thinking about trying it but not sure, now LOL
Would you e-mail me at tacklebreeden@yahoo.com I have some more wood
?s, maybe you will be the one to ask and get some answers to them.
Thanks again for the comments on my knife and the info you provided.
Bryan
those the pics were so cool. I am defenetly going to be getting more
bocote wood. The pics with the ray fleck :thumbup: I really liked seeing that.
Yea I bet you think twice about taking some of the wood you have to the saw blade LOL
Do you think putting some linseed oil and shallack finish on bocote is worth it?
I was thinking about trying it but not sure, now LOL
Would you e-mail me at tacklebreeden@yahoo.com I have some more wood
?s, maybe you will be the one to ask
and get some answers to them.Thanks again for the comments on my knife and the info you provided.
Bryan
Hi Sharp eye, that knife is the first knife that I put cocobolo scales on.
It has a 4.5" long and is 1.5" wide and 3/32" thick steel. the handle is 4.25".
I put a viniger patina finsh on it.
I posted some pics of it a month or two back these might jog your memory
A in hand shot
A couple of fuzz sticks.
I made that knife up a few days before I made this roach belly.
I do not have a name for it yet so far I just call it my knife LOL. I was going to call it the Breeden Whittler series. I have another one but smaller that I now carry with my Wild Craft Spy Capsule Survival knife LOL( say that fast 3 times) . This little knife in this pic
next to my WCSPS knife is it. An man does it whittle. It has a 3.5" long by 5/8" wide and is 3/32" thick blade with
a 4" handle. Hope this helps ya some.
Now that I have thought about it that is what it is going to be called the
Breeden Whittler series.
Bryan
It has a 4.5" long and is 1.5" wide and 3/32" thick steel. the handle is 4.25".
I put a viniger patina finsh on it.
I posted some pics of it a month or two back these might jog your memory
A in hand shot
A couple of fuzz sticks.
I made that knife up a few days before I made this roach belly.
I do not have a name for it yet so far I just call it my knife LOL. I was going to call it the Breeden Whittler series. I have another one but smaller that I now carry with my Wild Craft Spy Capsule Survival knife LOL( say that fast 3 times) . This little knife in this pic
next to my WCSPS knife is it. An man does it whittle. It has a 3.5" long by 5/8" wide and is 3/32" thick blade with
a 4" handle. Hope this helps ya some.
Now that I have thought about it that is what it is going to be called the
Breeden Whittler series.
Bryan
PB Wilson, Thanks for the link and the info. That was awesome info.
those the pics were so cool. I am defenetly going to be getting more
bocote wood. The pics with the ray fleck :thumbup: I really liked seeing that.
Yea I bet you think twice about taking some of the wood you have to the saw blade LOL
Do you think putting some linseed oil and shallack finish on bocote is worth it?
I was thinking about trying it but not sure, now LOL
Would you e-mail me at tacklebreeden@yahoo.com I have some more wood
?s, maybe you will be the one to ask
Thanks again for the comments on my knife and the info you provided.
Bryan
My pleasure to help out if I can. I emailed you with some info so feel free to get back to me when you can.
Shellac isn't the toughest finish out there. I think I'd stick with linseed oil or a tung oil finish. I mentioned in my email to you that Birchwood casey Tur-Oil which is a linseed oil varnish blend might be a good candidate for your knife handles. It's used on rifle and shotgun stocks and anything that can withstand duck hunting or sitting through a wet fall deer season should be great on knives. I'd test on some scrap to see how it might work.
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True. Bocote is almost perfect for knives right off the trunk. (After drying of course.)
Hi all,
PB Wilson thank you for the e-mail and the info you have provided.
I am going to get some of the birchwood and tung oils to try.
I have some other woods I am planning on putting on some knives that I am wanting to make. It will be neat to try some of the different finishes with the oils you mentioned.
Fiddleback thanks for the info on the bocote being a wood ready to go once put on the knife. This was the first time I used it and when I was cutting and shaping it, I thought this wood seems like is was ready to be used right from the start and did not need any finish put on it. It just seemed different.
Glad you commented on it Thanks again Andy
Sharp eye thanks, yes it has that, feel good to use in the kitchen and for some camp chores too LOL . I used it yesterday with the pathfinder with the bocote wood, while kathy and I were sitting next to the fire. Kathy and I are both battoners I guess you could say. LOL we both just sit and watch the fire and split wood with are knives. We do not batton wood pieces bigger than wrist thickness, but we do like to just split wood down to finger thickness just for fun. For what ever reason it just seems relaxing and fun at the same time. I used both of them knives in the pic with the fire yesterday for spliting small pieces wood into smaller pieces of wood LOL and then used them both for food prep for our lunch. I whittled 2 ash saplings into cooking sticks for my Johnsonville brats then cut bread up with it. It works real good for both kitchen and camp type chores. 3/32" thickness is thin but by know means whimmpy LOL
Here is another pic of the same design but with no handles on it yet. You can see the difference between the 3 whittler knives. I have the vinegar patina finsh on all 3 of these knives. I really like the look of it. It makes me thank of the knives Grampa and his brother used to make back in 1936 when they were learning to make knives and chisles at the Ag school for farmers back then.
I have some birds eye maple I am thinking of put on it I just finished up today a knife for Rotte with it and sent him the pics. Man I love the look of that wood to LOL. I think it will look pretty cool on the knife in the pic with no handles on it yet. I have made up a bunch of knives with the orange handles for me. Trying this and that shape and thickness and all, but now I know which ones l like the best and now am going to be making some with different woods and different models for my personal collection like these knives that I have posted in the last month or so.
Hi Kevin, thanks. Yea I love to see picks that are posted on here. It makes it so much better I think to LOL. I really like seeing the pics that you and the others post too. Seeing the different enviorments and what others do when out in the wild is so cool. Someways of doing things I see, I like , and some I think that is not for me LOL, but what works for some might not be the way I would do it and vise versa but that is ok to. Reading and seeing what goes on with others is just a great way to share and learn at this place.
Thanks again all for the feed back and chat with you all later,
Bryan
PB Wilson thank you for the e-mail and the info you have provided.
I am going to get some of the birchwood and tung oils to try.
I have some other woods I am planning on putting on some knives that I am wanting to make. It will be neat to try some of the different finishes with the oils you mentioned.
Fiddleback thanks for the info on the bocote being a wood ready to go once put on the knife. This was the first time I used it and when I was cutting and shaping it, I thought this wood seems like is was ready to be used right from the start and did not need any finish put on it. It just seemed different.
Glad you commented on it Thanks again Andy
Sharp eye thanks, yes it has that, feel good to use in the kitchen and for some camp chores too LOL . I used it yesterday with the pathfinder with the bocote wood, while kathy and I were sitting next to the fire. Kathy and I are both battoners I guess you could say. LOL we both just sit and watch the fire and split wood with are knives. We do not batton wood pieces bigger than wrist thickness, but we do like to just split wood down to finger thickness just for fun. For what ever reason it just seems relaxing and fun at the same time. I used both of them knives in the pic with the fire yesterday for spliting small pieces wood into smaller pieces of wood LOL and then used them both for food prep for our lunch. I whittled 2 ash saplings into cooking sticks for my Johnsonville brats then cut bread up with it. It works real good for both kitchen and camp type chores. 3/32" thickness is thin but by know means whimmpy LOL
Here is another pic of the same design but with no handles on it yet. You can see the difference between the 3 whittler knives. I have the vinegar patina finsh on all 3 of these knives. I really like the look of it. It makes me thank of the knives Grampa and his brother used to make back in 1936
when they were learning to make knives and chisles at the Ag school for farmers back then.
I have some birds eye maple I am thinking of put on it I just finished up today a knife for Rotte with it and sent him the pics. Man I love the look of that wood to LOL. I think it will look pretty cool on the knife in the pic with no handles on it yet. I have made up a bunch of knives with the orange handles for me. Trying this and that shape and thickness and all, but now I know which ones l like the best and now am going to be making some with different woods and different models for my personal collection like these knives that I have posted in the last month or so.
Hi Kevin, thanks. Yea I love to see picks that are posted on here. It makes it so much better I think to LOL. I really like seeing the pics that you and the others post too. Seeing the different enviorments and what others do when out in the wild is so cool. Someways of doing things I see, I like , and some I think that is not for me LOL, but what works for some might not be the way I would do it and vise versa but that is ok to. Reading and seeing what goes on with others is just a great way to share and learn at this place.
Thanks again all for the feed back and chat with you all later,
Bryan
