Broken mora's?

Pwallwin01 said:
Broken just today from batoning wood for small fire. I've had the knife for about 6 years but have hardly used it so I'm not too happy about that, but then I do have another somewhere in the shed!

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I will never understand why people baton knives and then blame the manufacturers when they break them. You know Knives aren't designed to be batoned right? There's these things called axes, use the right tool for the job.
 
germ1 said:
I will never understand why people baton knives and then blame the manufacturers when they break them. You know Knives aren't designed to be batoned right? There's these things called axes, use the right tool for the job.
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I completely disagree with your sentiments and actually I think it's very un-bushcrafty of you. Knives aren't merely for cutting. Also, saves pack weight not carrying an axe, doesn't it?
 
germ1 said:
I will never understand why people baton knives and then blame the manufacturers when they break them. You know Knives aren't designed to be batoned right? There's these things called axes, use the right tool for the job.
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I will never understand why people put cargo in sedans and then blame the manufacturers when they break down. You know sedans aren't designed to carry anything but passengers, right? There's these things called "trucks." Use the right tools for when you go grocery shopping.
 
Thomas Linton said:
I will never understand why people put cargo in sedans and then blame the manufacturers when they break down. You know sedans aren't designed to carry anything but passengers, right? There's these things called "trucks." Use the right tools for when you go grocery shopping.
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Nice try! But not very shop-crafty of you! ;)
 
germ1 said:
I will never understand why people baton knives and then blame the manufacturers when they break them. You know Knives aren't designed to be batoned right? There's these things called axes, use the right tool for the job.
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What is the "right" device or thing to keep at or near 98.6? Surely not a tent, tarp, or expedient brush hut.
 
Wow haven't heard all these arguments before ever. Still fun though, lol.:D
Certainly most (but not all) fixed blade knives weren't SPECIFICALLY designed to baton, but most (within reason) can stand up to occasional batoning, some more than others of course. Some overly optimistic people think one should be able to cleave giant Redwoods with a fillet knife, never under-estimate human silliness,lol. I think most Moras can survive the occasional batoning of wrist width (or smaller diameter) branches. But then there are people like that nut'n guy from youtube that seem to be able to break the sturdiest of knives regardless, but then he is looking for views so he stresses knives beyond normal use in hopes that it will "accidentally on purpose" break.
And of course there are Froes, which are basically knife blades with funky handles that are designed for splitting wood so a blade shaped cutting tool is not inherently unusable for splitting/batoning wood. Even axes occasionally break doing the job they were designed for. So yeah no absolutes here for sure!
 
Woods Walker said:
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Yep and I've split off of cord wood with a companion. Pick straight grain, no knots, and TAP it through. If it won't tap through then start the split with the knife and finish with a wedge. If you're beating on it you run the risk of breaking any knife.

"Work smarter not harder."- Scrooge McDuck:D
 
Thomas Linton said:
What is the "right" device or thing to keep at or near 98.6? Surely not a tent, tarp, or expedient brush hut.
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Correct --- surely not. A sleeping bag/quilt/blanket w/ or w/o pad is the "right" device.

A tent, tarp, or expedient brush hut is to shelter you from the rain/dew/snow/wind. A bag/quilt/blanket is to keep you warm. Two different, albeit related, concepts.

Similar argument can be made re a knife's purpose vs. a hatchet's/ax's and saw's purpose.
 
Shotgun said:
Yep and I've split off of cord wood with a companion. Pick straight grain, no knots, and TAP it through. If it won't tap through then start the split with the knife and finish with a wedge. If you're beating on it you run the risk of breaking any knife.

"Work smarter not harder."- Scrooge McDuck:D
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I once got a Mora 546 so stuck in a hard wood knot I beat it like a madman. Frustration got the better of me. Slightly pulled the blade out of handle. The beating was legendary though. Sometime when it's cold and you're tired stuff happens, well occasionally to me anyways. Sometimes it's just work stupider. LOL! I got pics someplace if anyone is interested but must have posted them before. Pushed the blade back into the handle it was only a slight pull and it's ok however one day want to re handle the knife as it's the older 546.
 
Ok I found the pics but probably posted the before.

Knife pulled a bit away from the handle. Just a bit.



Cold and snowy and been out for days so judgement could have been better.

 
leghog said:
Correct --- surely not. A sleeping bag/quilt/blanket w/ or w/o pad is the "right" device.

A tent, tarp, or expedient brush hut is to shelter you from the rain/dew/snow/wind. A bag/quilt/blanket is to keep you warm. Two different, albeit related, concepts.

Similar argument can be made re a knife's purpose vs. a hatchet's/ax's and saw's purpose.
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First, it's not "warm," it's 98.6. Excess heat will kill you just as dead.

"Shelter" is just a tool that customarily aims at keeping you at or near 98.6 but also helps with other natural hazards. A small tent, for example, creates an environment about 10 degrees f warmer than the outside in "cold" weather. A tarp, by keeping desiccating wind and sun off you, can save you from excess heat. Being wet when you are in the 90s may not be ideal, but it is far from immediately life-threatening.

The obvious "correct" tool, is a house/cabin with provision to create heat and air conditioning. Anything else is not the "correct" tool. A good cave looks like second best.

But if you have the "correct" tool, you are likely not in a survival situation - a circumstance largely defined by the lack of the "correct tool" and the resulting need to improvise - to do what you can with less than the "correct."

Refusing to consider what you can do with less than the "correct" qualifies you for the Darwin Award.
 
Woods Walker said:
I once got a Mora 546 so stuck in a hard wood knot I beat it like a madman. Frustration got the better of me. Slightly pulled the blade out of handle. The beating was legendary though. Sometime when it's cold and you're tired stuff happens, well occasionally to me anyways. Sometimes it's just work stupider. LOL! I got pics someplace if anyone is interested but must have posted them before. Pushed the blade back into the handle it was only a slight pull and it's ok however one day want to re handle the knife as it's the older 546.
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An argument, from experience, for more break-resistant gear of all sorts.
 
I think most people on here know what they can and cannot do with certain knives without deliberately breaking them. I've done things with my Swamprat knives that I know without doubt would have broken my Mora's.
Use Mora's as they are designed to be used and they should never break.
 
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