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Broken mora's?

Discussion in 'Wilderness & Survival Skills' started by mountainmist, Feb 18, 2014.

  1. germ1

    germ1

    20
    Dec 8, 2013
    I will never understand why people baton knives and then blame the manufacturers when they break them. You know Knives aren't designed to be batoned right? There's these things called axes, use the right tool for the job.
     
  2. Pwallwin01

    Pwallwin01

    5
    Nov 23, 2015
    I completely disagree with your sentiments and actually I think it's very un-bushcrafty of you. Knives aren't merely for cutting. Also, saves pack weight not carrying an axe, doesn't it?
     
  3. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    OK, I'm dying here! :p
     
  4. upnorth

    upnorth Basic Member Basic Member

    Nov 25, 2006
    Jeez Codger, were you and Ted Nugent twins separated at birth ? (avatar) :p
     
  5. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    Danged Canadians! :D
     
  6. Thomas Linton

    Thomas Linton

    Jun 16, 2003
    I will never understand why people put cargo in sedans and then blame the manufacturers when they break down. You know sedans aren't designed to carry anything but passengers, right? There's these things called "trucks." Use the right tools for when you go grocery shopping.
     
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  7. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    Nice try! But not very shop-crafty of you! ;)
     
  8. stabman

    stabman Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 17, 2007
    Some actually are.
    They tend not to break. ;)
     
  9. Thomas Linton

    Thomas Linton

    Jun 16, 2003
    What is the "right" device or thing to keep at or near 98.6? Surely not a tent, tarp, or expedient brush hut.
     
  10. tholiver

    tholiver

    Feb 22, 2003
    Wow haven't heard all these arguments before ever. Still fun though, lol.:D
    Certainly most (but not all) fixed blade knives weren't SPECIFICALLY designed to baton, but most (within reason) can stand up to occasional batoning, some more than others of course. Some overly optimistic people think one should be able to cleave giant Redwoods with a fillet knife, never under-estimate human silliness,lol. I think most Moras can survive the occasional batoning of wrist width (or smaller diameter) branches. But then there are people like that nut'n guy from youtube that seem to be able to break the sturdiest of knives regardless, but then he is looking for views so he stresses knives beyond normal use in hopes that it will "accidentally on purpose" break.
    And of course there are Froes, which are basically knife blades with funky handles that are designed for splitting wood so a blade shaped cutting tool is not inherently unusable for splitting/batoning wood. Even axes occasionally break doing the job they were designed for. So yeah no absolutes here for sure!
     
  11. Woods Walker

    Woods Walker

    Jun 3, 2010
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  12. Shotgun

    Shotgun

    Feb 3, 2006
    Yep and I've split off of cord wood with a companion. Pick straight grain, no knots, and TAP it through. If it won't tap through then start the split with the knife and finish with a wedge. If you're beating on it you run the risk of breaking any knife.

    "Work smarter not harder."- Scrooge McDuck:D
     
  13. upnorth

    upnorth Basic Member Basic Member

    Nov 25, 2006
    At least no one can call you a bald dog. :D
     
  14. leghog

    leghog

    Aug 10, 2013
    Correct --- surely not. A sleeping bag/quilt/blanket w/ or w/o pad is the "right" device.

    A tent, tarp, or expedient brush hut is to shelter you from the rain/dew/snow/wind. A bag/quilt/blanket is to keep you warm. Two different, albeit related, concepts.

    Similar argument can be made re a knife's purpose vs. a hatchet's/ax's and saw's purpose.
     
  15. Woods Walker

    Woods Walker

    Jun 3, 2010
    I once got a Mora 546 so stuck in a hard wood knot I beat it like a madman. Frustration got the better of me. Slightly pulled the blade out of handle. The beating was legendary though. Sometime when it's cold and you're tired stuff happens, well occasionally to me anyways. Sometimes it's just work stupider. LOL! I got pics someplace if anyone is interested but must have posted them before. Pushed the blade back into the handle it was only a slight pull and it's ok however one day want to re handle the knife as it's the older 546.
     
  16. Woods Walker

    Woods Walker

    Jun 3, 2010
    Ok I found the pics but probably posted the before.

    Knife pulled a bit away from the handle. Just a bit.

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    Cold and snowy and been out for days so judgement could have been better.

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  17. Pwallwin01

    Pwallwin01

    5
    Nov 23, 2015
    And just like that, he's gone :D
     
  18. Thomas Linton

    Thomas Linton

    Jun 16, 2003
    First, it's not "warm," it's 98.6. Excess heat will kill you just as dead.

    "Shelter" is just a tool that customarily aims at keeping you at or near 98.6 but also helps with other natural hazards. A small tent, for example, creates an environment about 10 degrees f warmer than the outside in "cold" weather. A tarp, by keeping desiccating wind and sun off you, can save you from excess heat. Being wet when you are in the 90s may not be ideal, but it is far from immediately life-threatening.

    The obvious "correct" tool, is a house/cabin with provision to create heat and air conditioning. Anything else is not the "correct" tool. A good cave looks like second best.

    But if you have the "correct" tool, you are likely not in a survival situation - a circumstance largely defined by the lack of the "correct tool" and the resulting need to improvise - to do what you can with less than the "correct."

    Refusing to consider what you can do with less than the "correct" qualifies you for the Darwin Award.
     
  19. Thomas Linton

    Thomas Linton

    Jun 16, 2003
    An argument, from experience, for more break-resistant gear of all sorts.
     
  20. pitdog

    pitdog

    Apr 13, 2007
    I think most people on here know what they can and cannot do with certain knives without deliberately breaking them. I've done things with my Swamprat knives that I know without doubt would have broken my Mora's.
    Use Mora's as they are designed to be used and they should never break.
     

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