Buck 110 Folding Hunter Pro - Loose Blade and Dent

GPyro said:
I think that in a scenario where every knife is expected to be "perfect", they couldn't be expected to be sold at Buck's price points.... especially considering they are made in the USA.

I have hundreds of Buck knives, and honestly do not have a single one that I am unhappy with the way it was made.

I'm sure they are out there. That's to be expected.

There are lots of OCD folks out there. That's some of the problem.

And I'm sure there has been a time where someone finally gets a Buck, not having been able to afford one, previously owning cheap gas station knives....
They get their Buck, and expect levels of perfection that simply doesn't make sense. ie, all the complaints that seem to come from "newbies". We should do better than offend them.

Actually, I think folks here handle that really well.
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I can sympathize with this thought as well. I recently got a few new Buck 112 folders and would absolutely be thrilled if I had been given them as a gift or if they had been my first “real Buck knife”. Hell, I was thrilled when I paid for them!
 
wackafew said:
Does one expect a different fit and finish on a knife according to the price? Some may expect that a knife that sells for well over a hundred pepdollars and has words like Pro or Legacy or Limited Edition or Custom Shop would have a little better fit and finish. Are people wrong for thinking this way? Just asking for a friend. :rolleyes:
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It depends on the materials involved. Do the materials involved justify the extra price? Or are they just normal materials but not usually used on the knife in question? Different more expensive steel? Or just a different blade shape?

Some limited editions use exceptional materials some are just novelties. Sometimes it just means you get a wooden box and a weird rubber band.

I guess its up to the consumer to figure out what they are actually paying extra for and not assuming.
 
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Jsega51 said:
Let’s not pigeon hole me too bad on the requirements here but just a quick one would be the first Spyderco knives, Delica to pick just one (1990). Simple lockback design with 2 scales held by a peened over pivot and pins.

They’ve sold millions. Many and many of them with no build inconsistencies like off center blades, gaps all along the backsprings etc, I had several in the early 2000’s that were great examples.

GEC knives are immensely popular right now as another example. They’re literally building new knives on the ancient equipment out of the old Schrade factories and they have found a way to get blades pretty well centered across every old ass pattern they’ve made.

I appreciate the heritage as much as the next as I have a pretty varied collection of old and new. It’s great that Buck is still making and selling their iconic style knives, I don’t think it’s wrong to expect a little advancement in that area of their fit and finish, sheesh, they’ve had 50+ years to perfect it in knives that haven’t changed much as you pointed out. Does it matter to me much? Not really on the Bucks since that’s what’s expected, but I won’t pay the $360 for it.

I was pointing out what matters to other collectors since you asked about why, it’s talked about all the time in fit/finish discussions so it’s obviously important to some.
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I don't mean to pigeon hole, just trying to have a productive conversation and we're getting there. :)

Delica is a solid example, but it's only similarity is that it's a lockback with a blade. The Delica has stainless blade, stainless liners behind the FRN handles, 2 bronze bushings (one on each side of the blade between the blade and the steel liner, and while I've not handled a ton of them, I'm pretty sure they're screwed together with a barrel nut and screw at the pivot.
The stainless liners and bronze bushings provide a pretty fixed plane of blade travel and thus virtually eliminates any blade play when stowed.
I'm not sure Buck makes a lock back that compares well with the Delica.

A spun head pin and a peened pin are two different animals as well. There is little pressure from a spun head pin holding everything together compared to a peened pin.

Again... not trying to argue and not trying to defend the brand if something is routinely out of whack. But want to make sure we're grading 110s based on 110s and not something else, right?

For the record, if something is wrong with a knife it should be rectified. But if it's simply a complaint about the function of the design because of a lack of understanding of the design, components, and relative geometry; that's a different conversation.

The conversation has gotten a little further than it was this morning.

Also, Yes! A non regular production knife (Custom, LE, etc..) should be held to a higher standard than production stuff (Pro, etc...). So long as that higher standard is measured on what makes it different than a regular production piece.

Closed play, for instance. I wouldn't expect any more or less closed play from a $300 LE than I would a basic version. It's still a 110 after all.

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MT_Pokt said:
I don't mean to pigeon hole
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You weren’t, I was just asking for leniency before my reply haha. I wonder what a knife from Buck could be like if they tried their hand at an EDM cut style build like the Case/Bose knives.
 
MT_Pokt said:
I don't mean to pigeon hole, just trying to have a productive conversation and we're getting there. :)

Delica is a solid example, but it's only similarity is that it's a lockback with a blade. The Delica has stainless blade, stainless liners behind the FRN handles, 2 bronze bushings (one on each side of the blade between the blade and the steel liner, and while I've not handled a ton of them, I'm pretty sure they're screwed together with a barrel nut and screw at the pivot.
The stainless liners and bronze bushings provide a pretty fixed plane of blade travel and thus virtually eliminates any blade play when stowed.
I'm not sure Buck makes a lock back that compares well with the Delica.

A spun head pin and a peened pin are two different animals as well. There is little pressure from a spun head pin holding everything together compared to a peened pin.

Again... not trying to argue and not trying to defend the brand if something is routinely out of whack. But want to make sure we're grading 110s based on 110s and not something else, right?

For the record, if something is wrong with a knife it should be rectified. But if it's simply a complaint about the function of the design because of a lack of understanding of the design, components, and relative geometry; that's a different conversation.

The conversation has gotten a little further than it was this morning.

Also, Yes! A non regular production knife (Custom, LE, etc..) should be held to a higher standard than production stuff (Pro, etc...). So long as that higher standard is measured on what makes it different than a regular production piece.

Closed play, for instance. I wouldn't expect any more or less closed play from a $300 LE than I would a basic version. It's still a 110 after all.

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Well said...I like hearing a voice of reason. Makes me miss David (RIP).
 
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Jsega51 said:
You weren’t, I was just asking for leniency before my reply haha. I wonder what a knife from Buck could be like if they tried their hand at an EDM cut style build like the Case/Bose knives.
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Good question...

They're moving the 110 line forward with aluminum, G10 and screws, but it's still a 110 in that is has a .125" pivot and no surface bushings between the blade and the frame, so it's "lipstick on a pig". But I and many others like pigs, so it's not simply progress for the sake of progress.

I have an acute dislike for liner and frame locks. There's just something inherently wrong about putting you finger in the path of the blade when closing it. It's playing chicken every time...lol

I'd like to see a full Ti frame with bronze and/or Teflon bushings in a lock back. It doesn't have to be a flipper, but a buttery smooth one hand opener with a premium steel with a high hollow grind and a blade length at about 3.25".

If the Vantage was a lock back, that would be pretty close to perfect.

Soon as I can order a 112 TRX, I'm going to mill a recess in the frame for Teflon bushings and see if I can get what I'm looking for with it.
 
Correct it was around $110. I’m not OCD by any means nor did I expect it to be perfect. But I got 3 different knives and all 3 had issues. Maybe some of you would have been fine with off center blades, blade looseness at lock up and one that rattled when closed because there was so much play. The light dent in the bolster didn’t bother me much but play at lock up is unacceptable.

I just got 6 different knives various (SAK’s) today and everyone of them are perfect. These are the first SAK’s I’ve ever owned. I bought a few of them for my kids. As long as Buck has been making the 110 they should have figured out how to build them with better QC. Especially the Pro models. The materials are excellent and I love the knife. I just want one that is right.


wackafew said:
I don't believe the OP was talking about a $35-60 knife. He was talking about a 110 Pro, about $140 plus shipping. I think we are talking about the same price point.
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Jsega51 said:
Let’s not pigeon hole me too bad on the requirements here but just a quick one would be the first Spyderco knives, Delica to pick just one (1990). Simple lockback design with 2 scales held by a peened over pivot and pins.

They’ve sold millions. Many and many of them with no build inconsistencies like off center blades, gaps all along the backsprings etc, I had several in the early 2000’s that were great examples.

GEC knives are immensely popular right now as another example. They’re literally building new knives on the ancient equipment out of the old Schrade factories and they have found a way to get blades pretty well centered across every old ass pattern they’ve made.

I appreciate the heritage as much as the next as I have a pretty varied collection of old and new. It’s great that Buck is still making and selling their iconic style knives, I don’t think it’s wrong to expect a little advancement in that area of their fit and finish, sheesh, they’ve had 50+ years to perfect it in knives that haven’t changed much as you pointed out. Does it matter to me much? Not really on the Bucks since that’s what’s expected, but I won’t pay the $360 for it.

I was pointing out what matters to other collectors since you asked about why, it’s talked about all the time in fit/finish discussions so it’s obviously important to some.
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I have received off centered blades from Spyderco. Never touched a scale and haven't moved...ever.

GEC knives are not made on POS equipment and can be found off centered. Owners disclose it in sale threads.

The knife in question is nowhere near $360. Many collectors donkno sh-- that's why they complain...or they are neurotic :)

The OP sent the knife back 2 times, the only thing wrong is the OP. If he was sharp, he'd of asked for a refund after knife #2 since he knew he'd not be satisfied.
 
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brownshoe said:
I have received off centered blades from Spyderco. Never touched a scale and haven't moved...ever.

GEC knives are not made on POS equipment and can be found off centered. Owners disclose it in sale threads.

The knife in question is nowhere near $360. Many collectors donkno sh-- that's why they complain...or they are neurotic :)

The OP sent the knife back 2 times, the only thing wrong is the OP. If he was sharp, he'd of asked for a refund after knife #2 since he knew he'd not be satisfied.
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You don’t read very well. The second knife I received was a slightly different model from what I ordered. After the 2nd knife, I requested them to check the quality before sending. I don’t know if they did or didn’t but it rattles when closed and play when locked. I will not order another one. I will see if Buck will take care of it.
 
kaneman23 said:
You don’t read very well. The second knife I received was a slightly different model from what I ordered. After the 2nd knife, I requested them to check the quality before sending. I don’t know if they did or didn’t but it rattles when closed and play when locked. I will not order another one. I will see if Buck will take care of it.
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Your post says #2 had “more of a brassy color” not that it was the wrong model. Still after 2 tries why expect it to be different the third time?
 
brownshoe said:
Your post says #2 had “more of a brassy color” not that it was the wrong model. Still after 2 tries why expect it to be different the third time?
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It was a different knife. The stamp was different and the bolsters were a light brass color. Maybe Buck made the pro in slightly different models. I just want one that doesn’t rattle or rub. I can live with the rest.
 
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