Buck 119 tang type?

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Well, I'm sure Buck wants it to be known as a full tang, because that makes it sound equal to the real full tangs.

The facts disagree with Buck. Its clearly not equal to the real full tangs.

It's a hidden stick tang. The reason it's not a full tang is that it measures a little short in both length and width--both narrower and shorter.

The tang on a 119 does NOT go all the way to the end of the pommel like the 124--AND they have to attach it to the pommel with a pin.

The tang on a 119 is far narrower (close to an inch total all along its entire length) than the 124 tang.

Easy to see by looking at the above pictures.

Easy to claim that it's a full tang.....not so easy back that up with facts and numbers in comparison with a real full tang like the 124.

I covered this in greater depth in the thread in this link http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/970147-Tang-Construction?highlight=119+tang
 
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Roll your eyes all you wish, Pinnah......you can't change the facts of numbers and steel.

These are finite and physical matters that are not swayed by opinions or wishes to alter reality.

And that's a fact.

:)
 
I have to agree with BG42Edge. My opinion may not matter much as I'm not a regular but most of the time when a knife is referred to as full tang the tng goes the whole height and leanth of the handle. Most people would describe this as a stick tang even though its a very thick stick tang. How tall is that tang if I may ask. I've been really looking hard at the 119 lately. Not for myself even though I like it but my boy is going crazy over it and wants one for Christmas. Not sure if I want to get a knife that large yet. He does good with blades but most of his knives are between 3 and 4 inch blades.
 
There's a pic of the 119 and a pic of one without the handle to show the tang above, KY.

It's plenty strong and it's a good knife, but a hunting knife really doesn't need to be that big. The Buck 105 is a great all around hunting knife at five inches and many have been happy for life with the 118 at four and a half inches.

The 119 is an impressive looking big knife, but maybe bigger and clumsier than needed (unless you're going to kill a bear--then the 120 might be an even better choice).

:)

That said......if your boy is really in love with the 119--get him one. He'll make do.
 
It's undoubtedly a strong knife.

However, that was not the the question that was asked.

The OP wanted to know if it was a full tang.....that's all.
 
bill keys said:
the 119 special is a full tang, but it is not an exposed tang such as a 124 frontiesman or any other similar knife that has a slab (two separate pieces) handle. The 119 tang runs completely through the handle into the butt which is riveted to the tang.

Bill keys
director of manufacturing & engineering
buck knives, inc
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> FULL TANG!:p
 
BG42EDGE said:
Well, I'm sure Buck wants it to be known as a full tang, because that makes it sound equal to the real full tangs.

The facts disagree with Buck. Its clearly not equal to the real full tangs.

It's a hidden stick tang. The reason it's not a full tang is that it measures a little short in both length and width--both narrower and shorter.

The tang on a 119 does NOT go all the way to the end of the pommel like the 124--AND they have to attach it to the pommel with a pin.

The tang on a 119 is far narrower (close to an inch total all along its entire length) than the 124 tang.

Easy to see by looking at the above pictures.

Easy to claim that it's a full tang.....not so easy back that up with facts and numbers in comparison with a real full tang like the 124.

I covered this in greater depth in the thread in this link http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/970147-Tang-Construction?highlight=119+tang
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Full vs partial tang

A Full tang extends the full length of the grip-portion of a handle, versus a partial tang which does not.

There is a wide variety of full and partial tang designs. In perhaps the most common design in full tang knives, the handle is cut in the shape of the tang and handle "slabs" are then fastened to the tang by means of pins, screws, bolts, metal tubing, epoxy, etc. The tang is left exposed along the belly, butt, and spine of the handle, extending both the full length and width of the handle.( It is a misconception that this particular design defines "full tang", but it provides the greatest amount of material support to the handle of the tool.):D:p
 
Bill Keys is just parroting the Buck position on this......and I explained that problem earlier in the thread.

They have a vested interest in calling it a full tang because it sounds good. I understand and sympathize, but it has nothing to do with reality.

Wikipedia......yeah, LOL is right.
 
BG42EDGE said:
There's a pic of the 119 and a pic of one without the handle to show the tang above, KY.

It's plenty strong and it's a good knife, but a hunting knife really doesn't need to be that big. The Buck 105 is a great all around hunting knife at five inches and many have been happy for life with the 118 at four and a half inches.

The 119 is an impressive looking big knife, but maybe bigger and clumsier than needed (unless you're going to kill a bear--then the 120 might be an even better choice).

:)

That said......if your boy is really in love with the 119--get him one. He'll make do.
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Thanks for your imput. He has a few hunting knives. When I asked him what he would do with it he said use it around camp site when camping. I geuss I cant argue with that thinking. So most likely for Christmas there will be at least one new Buck in the house. Ok sorry for the hijack. back to the discussion of full, stick or full lentgh stick tang. Full lentgh stick is my position.:D
 
BG42EDGE said:
Bill Keys is just parroting the Buck position on this......and I explained that problem earlier in the thread.

They have a vested interest in calling it a full tang because it sounds good. I understand and sympathize, but it has nothing to do with reality.

Wikipedia......yeah, LOL is right.
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LOL,so Bill Keys is just a Parrot for Buck Inc?Now I'm really confused!:confused::)
 
You're welcome.

I'm sort of at "Stick That's Nine Tenths Length and Half Width of Full Tang" myself.

:D

Yes, camping is a good application for the big knife.
 
BG42EDGE said:
Bill Keys is just parroting the Buck position on this......and I explained that problem earlier in the thread.

They have a vested interest in calling it a full tang because it sounds good. I understand and sympathize, but it has nothing to do with reality.

Wikipedia......yeah, LOL is right.
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Do you know who is writing the wikipedia article?
Why do you think Buck has an advantage when they proclaim anything what you think is wrong?
Why are you thre only one who has the opinion that a 119 has not a full tang?Why do you persist on the opinion even though the others have arguments that you are wrong?

Some things I don't understand. Would you please declare them to me?

Best, Haebbie
 
Do you know who is writing the wikipedia article?

Someone with an opinion?

Why do you think Buck has an advantage when they proclaim anything what you think is wrong?

I don't. I think (as I said) that they want to portray the 119 as a full tang because it sounds better than stick tang.

Why are you the only one who has the opinion that a 119 has not a full tang?

I'm not. Others have said the same thing as me.

Why do you persist on the opinion even though the others have arguments that you are wrong?

Because I know I'm right--(plus, they have given no effective arguments, just repeated their opinions).
 
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