Buck 650, some questions

Kurie Osity said:
I don't see anywhere in the original post/question where the OP asked if he "should", only if he "could". I don't think he was asking for permisson. ;)
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If the op really didn't know weather he could baton the knife, than maybe he shouldn't. I can read the op as well as you can, but thanks, no help needed. This is a discussion forum and if someone want to "discuss" something related to the original post, that discussion is welcome. If you don't have a useful comment pertaining to the Discussion throwing out inflammatory comments what is said or not said in the op is pointless.
 
The OP stated that his intent was to baton, whether with the Buck or with another knife. He seemed intent (misguided or not) to do it and didn't plan on taking a hatchet. He asked if the Buck could be used in that manner, the answer to which is YES. He didn't ask for advise about whether or not it was advisable. Too many people are very quick to give advice that was not asked for and will probably be ignored in any case, so to be so critical of his usage or intended usage of the knife is just rude.
 
Kurie, you really underestimate the educational value of the Buck Forum.

Some who post asking for opinions are actually open to new information.

Not all people are so stubborn or set in their ways as to be unable to learn a better way.
 
I still don't see how battoning with a knife is anywhere near as dangerous as splitting wood with an axe. Please tell me how it could possibly be more dangerous.
Also, I've never broken a knife battoning. I have broken two axe handles splitting wood, which is potentially extremely dangerous. Imagine a 3 1/2 pound sharpened steel wege flying at your child.
One point, an axe handle can be repaired in the woods (if you have a knife) while a knife typically cannot, so that's a plus for the axe folks.
 
ac1d0v3r1d3 said:
I still don't see how battoning with a knife is anywhere near as dangerous as splitting wood with an axe. Please tell me how it could possibly be more dangerous.
Also, I've never broken a knife battoning. I have broken two axe handles splitting wood, which is potentially extremely dangerous. Imagine a 3 1/2 pound sharpened steel wege flying at your child.
One point, an axe handle can be repaired in the woods (if you have a knife) while a knife typically cannot, so that's a plus for the axe folks.
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I've never tried battoning, but imagining myself holding a 2 or 3 inch diameter branch vertical in one hand while trying to hit the end of it with an axe or hatchet seems more dangerous than using the knife. Planting the edge of a good, sturdy fixed blade in the end, then striking it to split the branch seems safer to me.
 
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Kurie Osity said:
I've never tried battoning, but imagining myself holding a 2 or 3 inch diameter branch vertical in one hand while trying to hit the end of it with an axe or hatchet seems more dangerous than using the knife. Planting the edge of a good, sturdy fixed blade in the end, then striking it to split the branch seems safer to me.
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If you really like to use big knives, battoning is a fun camp exercise. I taught my 11 year old how to baton, and he became quite proficient at it. It could be done with a nighthawk, but is a lot easier with the longer bladed Hoodlum. I started splitting wood with a maul ax longer ago than I can remember and I had many close calls, but that's the inherent danger of using any sharp (not to mention heavy) tool. Sure, battoning isn't for everyone...but neither is skydiving. It's as safe as you make it.
 
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....holding a 2 or 3 inch diameter branch vertical in one hand while trying to hit the end of it with an axe or hatchet seems more dangerous than using the knife.
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If you think that's the way to do it, I sure hope you never try it, because you'll soon be typing a lot slower.

:)
 
BG42EDGE said:
Some who post asking for opinions are actually open to new information.

Not all people are so stubborn or set in their ways as to be unable to learn a better way.
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This had me doing that ROTFLMAOPMP RME SMH thing. As the youngins might say. I really can't believe you said that.

BG!!!! You who are so hung up on that 3 dot, and won't come out of the closet and give S30V a shot. Just cracked me right up.... :D


Sorry people,,,now back to battoning. Might consider the 651 Pigsticker too. Has a healthier blade than the 650 and probably cheaper than the Hoodlum,,, if you can find one.
 
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BG42EDGE said:
Not all people are so stubborn or set in their ways as to be unable to learn a better way.
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This kettle has already determined that the pot who's speaking would never understand the absolute hilarity of his statement at this point in the thread, so I won't trouble his "open" mind about it. :D

In other news, I'm afraid I have recently procured the last two 651s in Europe (as far as I know). Of course, Buck should stop screwing around and bring that knife out again, as it's everything the USMC fighting knife is, plus 10% in pretty much every category. In terms of actual field use, I'd take the Pig Sticker over damn near any other fixed blade as a combat knife, assuming the army ran out of young, muscular guys and wanted me to come back. I must say that I really was sorry I was never able to get a knife fight going when I was in. We thought about contacting the enemy and setting up a sort of CQB intramural match, but we were afraid they'd trick us and bring guns. :)
 
Kurie Osity said:
The OP stated that his intent was to baton, whether with the Buck or with another knife. He seemed intent (misguided or not) to do it and didn't plan on taking a hatchet. He asked if the Buck could be used in that manner, the answer to which is YES. He didn't ask for advise about whether or not it was advisable. Too many people are very quick to give advice that was not asked for and will probably be ignored in any case, so to be so critical of his usage or intended usage of the knife is just rude.
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Kurie, I know you haven't been around here long, but thats what we do here. We give our opinions, wanted or not. People ask questions to get opinions, comments and to have others ask other questions that pertain to the original post. If all you want is the one word answer to a question your in the wrong place, its a discussion forum. If anybody else has the question "Can you baton a @#$" the answer is yes. You ca baton a 301 slip joint if you want to, is it smart? I guess we'd have to have a discussion... It's not rude to give an opinion that is contrary...
 
As far as slip joint battoning, yeah I've done it, since I was 10 years old in the boy scouts. I didn't know that it had a name, but it sure was a lot safer than using a hatchet to split small pieces of wood. Of course I didn't use a baton, I used the palm of my hand to drive the blade.


PS MB, you didn't mention how using an axe would be safer.
 
Kurie, I know you haven't been around here long, but thats what we do here. We give our opinions, wanted or not. People ask questions to get opinions, comments and to have others ask other questions that pertain to the original post. If all you want is the one word answer to a question your in the wrong place, its a discussion forum.
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Kurie O., in his short time here, has become the self-appointed Official Rudeness Sheriff and Emily Post politeness expert of the forum.

He excels at giving rude and unwanted advice to others about giving unwanted advice.

:D
 
Personally, I just hope that the OP (who has mysteriously vanished) will come back to read Messersmith's tear-stained post about breaking the blade of his nighthawk playtoy and decide to forget about the magnificent sport of batonning.

:D
 
Hey all,
I'm the OP and have enjoyed reading the varied responses. I in no way meant to start such a heated discussion. I personally have never batoned. I have been somewhat put off by the notion, and have usually carried a small hatchet with me into the woods. However, this crazy BladeForums place has made batoning seem manageable and acceptable. That being said, BG42EDGE has convinced me to not use the trusty 650 as a baton tool. I simply don't want to damage my Nighthawk.
At the moment, I will probably pack in with my Delica.
Thanks guys, I was just curious as to the ability of the 650 as a batoning tool. I appreciate the responses, and all points of view.
 
BG42EDGE said:
Kurie O., in his short time here, has become the self-appointed Official Rudeness Sheriff and Emily Post politeness expert of the forum.

He excels at giving rude and unwanted advice to others about giving unwanted advice.

:D
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Step back and take a deep breath BG. You are starting to hyperventilate. :mad:
 
Pack Rat said:
Step back and take a deep breath BG. You are starting to hyperventilate. :mad:
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BG is only responding to the many posts where Kurie O. has made comments about others being out of line some how. Kurie has only been here for just a few months and it seems as though he is starting more confrontation than anybody else. Maybe he should back off and remember that this is a public discussion forum and he can't controll peoples responses to postings. BG has been here for a long time and we all know that he is quick tempered. Don't spout stupitidy and there wont be problems...get cross and there are a few of us here that dont mind having a pissing contest, till one or all of get kicked off the forum by the mods. Lets not go there and watch the things we say. Although it might sound great in your head, it sounds mean and nasty in writing...
 
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