Buck 650, some questions

Let the mods ban me if they wish, But this Buck forum is going to hell in a handbasket because of a very few.

Its time people stand their ground and put a stop to it. one way or the other.

Folks, there is a small triangle to the lower left of each post that will flag that post to a moderator.

It's time to clean up the Buck forum. If I have to go, so be it. The Buck forum has pretty much been immune to some of the things that are now going on here. Is sad to see it happening here.

Adios..
 
JiffyPark said:
Hey all,
I'm the OP and have enjoyed reading the varied responses. I in no way meant to start such a heated discussion. I personally have never batoned. I have been somewhat put off by the notion, and have usually carried a small hatchet with me into the woods. However, this crazy BladeForums place has made batoning seem manageable and acceptable. That being said, BG42EDGE has convinced me to not use the trusty 650 as a baton tool. I simply don't want to damage my Nighthawk.
At the moment, I will probably pack in with my Delica.
Thanks guys, I was just curious as to the ability of the 650 as a batoning tool. I appreciate the responses, and all points of view.
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Sir, you had a perfectly legit question, and made a good post. Sorry about all the weirdness the thread took.
 
To put oil in the waves here's an answer to the OP Jiffy.

I know at least only one knife that is constructed for beatoning.
That is the German Expedition Knife from Puma. Tony Lennartz
constructed it just for beatoning and to hammer it into a tree
to use it as a step - all aside of killing animals or cutting steaks
or vegetables. You find some youtube videos where Tony uses
his knife in that way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cstVmMA4jY4
The man in the video IS Tony Lennartz.

Best, Haebbie

And, buggling Bucks, leave the forum as it is!!!!
 
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JiffyPark said:
Hey all,
I'm the OP and have enjoyed reading the varied responses. I in no way meant to start such a heated discussion. I personally have never batoned. I have been somewhat put off by the notion, and have usually carried a small hatchet with me into the woods. However, this crazy BladeForums place has made batoning seem manageable and acceptable. That being said, BG42EDGE has convinced me to not use the trusty 650 as a baton tool. I simply don't want to damage my Nighthawk.
At the moment, I will probably pack in with my Delica.
Thanks guys, I was just curious as to the ability of the 650 as a batoning tool. I appreciate the responses, and all points of view.
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You are very welcome. I thought when the OP heard that tale of woe and broken steel from Messersmith that it might cause him to think twice about this baton business.

When I said this:

Some who post asking for opinions are actually open to new information.

Not all people are so stubborn or set in their ways as to be unable to learn a better way.
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Several of our more aggressive members ridiculed me for saying it.

I hope the skeptics and scoffers are now silenced and will also learn a thing or two from this experience.

Sometimes it's better to think twice before posting.

(That's another word to the wise.)
 
I did learn something from this experience: you seem to have an extraordinarily childish reaction to being disagreed with. I choose that word specifically in regards--not only to your own posts which I've now re-read with new eyes--but to this comment that mbjannush made not long ago:
mbjannusch said:
BG has been here for a long time and we all know that he is quick tempered.
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I hadn't realized until the last little while on this thread that you were actually getting your feelings hurt, so in retrospect I'm sorry but it sounds like a little growing up would be in order. Aggressive members? You engage the thread in a bantering tone, are met with banter, and then start posting about ridicule, people being "silenced" and "thinking twice about posting."
<<How can you call someone a fool who has profited from the sale and distribution of such knives? I'd call them smart rather than fools.>>

You see, I thought that was funny and a nice rejoinder to the back and forth. Please, explain where you actually felt you were being bruised--every single post you made had little smiley faces in it.

As to the "skeptics and scoffers" of which you speak, I'm very sorry but no---the one story you bring up about catastrophic failure with a knife does not come across as definitive proof to me any more than those people who point to beheaded victims of car accidents as proof that seat belts are dangerous to wear. In both cases, people are pointing to the 2% in an effort to invalidate the 98%. There is a right and a wrong way to baton just like there's a right and wrong way to use an axe, and if you choose the wrong way with either you have the potential for serious problems. I've seen horrific knife injuries and horrific axe injuries. Yes, I know that your specific response to that would be some variation of, "Yeah...the wrong way to baton is to do it at all!" Yes, you're very clever. ;) Oh! Forgive me, I was trying to banter again. I forgot that you don't like that.

You are correct, however, that this particular discussion seems to have reached its conclusion, as the OP has reached a decision. Whether that decision was actually to not baton, or to just do whatever it took to end this thread, I'm not sure. Regardless, however he separates his wood fibers--knife, axe, saw or dynamite--I wish him a fun as hell time on his camping trip, and also hope that he remembers the #1 rule of camping: if you've left it alone for even just a couple minutes, open your sleeping bag all the way before you get back into it! It takes exactly one time of just diving into a bag and then discovering that a squirrel was looking for a warm spot while you were away taking an early morning leak to give you a twitch for the rest of your life.

Edit to add: And yes, batoning with a twitch would be decidedly dangerous.
 
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t1mpani.......honestly, I don't know what you're talking about.

Somebody else accuses me of being "quick tempered" and you take it as Gospel?

I enjoy the forum and can't remember the last time I said an angry word here. BTW......there have been some ANGRY words on this thread--but I didn't say them.

The one thing you said that's on topic and makes sense is that one failure does not prove anything.

True, in fact. But......how many of us baton our knives? A small percentage, I think.

If more of us did it, there would probably be a lot of broken blades showing up on these forums.

Which is why I oppose it. I have every right to oppose it without being ridiculed, but I take that as part of the forum experience.

Oh......you asked, "Please, explain where you actually felt you were being bruised."

I wasn't bruised, I was ridiculed for saying:

Some who post asking for opinions are actually open to new information.

Not all people are so stubborn or set in their ways as to be unable to learn a better way.
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Three, I think, of the more aggressive members of our forum ridiculed me for saying that. They were off topic and out of line (and breaking the rules) to do that.

I do hope they learned from their experience when the OP came back and proved that he was exactly such a reasonable person and had benefited from what I said.

:)
 
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Hmmmm, okay then:
BG42EDGE said:
You were wise to fear that someone would trick you. ;)
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Really and truly, answer this; we may have a genuine case of text-versus-facial expressions miscommunication here: that wasn't ridicule? This was how I read that statement:
"You're not very smart and so are rightly worried about people outsmarting you." Did I get it wrong? I very literally laughed out loud when I read that, I thought it was the best post on this thread. Still, however, you were breaking the rules a tad in that case, weren't you? Or, skirting them at the very least? Mind you, even if you were I'd not complain about it as not only am I thick skinned but also thought the particular comment was funny, but just the same, I perceive a rock being thrown in a glass house.

Something else important, though, that I think should come out of this thread, is how you DO split wood (yes, even kindling) with an axe, since a very incorrect method for it was described by someone in the course of all of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tUUctg6dfk

If you don't want to watch the whole video, people, just start it at about 2:20 or so, but the whole overview is worthwhile if you're not particularly axe-experienced and are planning to use one. Like I mentioned, I got to end a hiking vacation a few days early and spend several hours helping a friend carry another friend out of the mountains in Colorado after he split his left foot almost perfectly down the middle with my GB Forest Axe. I'd asked him, ten minutes before as he picked my axe up: "Do you know how to use an axe?" "Yes" he assured me with a rather contemptible roll of the eyes. Amidst scrambling through my pack for bandaging material and trying to keep him calm, I asked, "How in the hell did you hit your foot?!" "The log kept moving so I stepped on it to hold it still." "....................." It really and truly is amazing the bits of knowledge that we take for granted as being obvious common sense.
 
You are correct to say that we can ALL benefit from a little instruction on how to split wood (no matter HOW we may choose to accomplish it) it is a dangerous task if done with even a tiny bit of either carelessness or incompetence.

As to this:

You were wise to fear that someone would trick you.
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It's the type of statement that falls under a Biblical injunction from a very wise man.

"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear ."

Clearly, you have ears. Score one for you.

:)
 
Fascinating, too......is the next thing the man said.

But to what shall I compare this generation? It is like children sitting in the market places, who call out to the other children, and say, &#8216;We played the flute for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not mourn.&#8217; For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, &#8216;He has a demon!&#8217; The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, &#8216;Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!&#8217; Yet wisdom is vindicated by her deeds.
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"Wisdom is vindicated by her deeds."

What a rich truth. It boggles the mind with its profound depth.

Will people choose the path of wisdom? Ah, let us hope they not only CHOOSE it......but EMBRACE it!
 
This thread has become quite unpleasant. I see no reason for me to interrupt, but you do have two forum moderators you might ask about it: Joe Houser and CJ Buck

I won't comment on the batoning question, either, other than to say that on The Great Outdoors forums, many members find batoning a useful and safe activity. It all depends on what your interests, equipment, and experience are.

But discussing each other rather than the forum topic is a sure way to break down the camaraderie that a forum like this depends on. Solidarity does not require slavish conformity. Courtesy, courtesy will get the job done.
 
As to the OP's original question - where he mentioned a Becker BK-2 - let me suggest he reconsider that as his choice if he envisions some firewood splitting - possibly with a batton. The BK-2 is a healthy .25" thick by 5" blade of 1095 steel. It'll handle it's share of firewood production - check their forum for more info. Your 650, with a cleaned hollow ground SS blade, would be better used in food prep, etc. Just another opinion.

For years, I used a KaBar for firewood production while camping - and either a Vic SAK or a Buck 110 for 'kitchen' duties. Eventually, I started carrying a Plumb camp hatchet in place of the KaBar, which had been my Dad's USN KaBar in the S. Pacific during WWII. I dropped the KaBar on my concrete garage floor years ago - the butt cap hit and snapped the tang there. I eventually repaired it - a bit shorter handle now, but it is in a display case - finally.

Stainz
 
Actually, there wasn't much of a disagreement.

Some like batoning and some don't like it except in certain circumstances.

Some like it only if needed for survival.

Some like to test knives for potential survival use.

Some do it just for fun.

The OP got his answers and there was no bloodshed.

Oh that the rest of the world could be as peaceful.

;)
 
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