BUCK BAY WATCH Blunder

BG42EDGE said:
Yes, some Levine books have had version numbers that don't match up with Joe's. I've seen people on e-Bay reference it before.

But Flat.......there ain't no setcha thing as an 8th variation of the third version.

:eek:
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Wanna Bet????????????
 
Is there a document out there that outlines the differences between the variances? If not, maybe we can get one working..
 
I'll take some of that bet to Edge!!

From Joe's current Data Sheet:
Third Version, Integral Brass Spacer/Spring holder, 9 variations

Variation 1 (1967)6
Stamp: BUCK dot, Inverted, Left hand, 440C steel.
Butt rivets: Visible on left side of rear bolsters only.
Blade rivet: Visible on both sides of front bolsters.
Inlay rivets: 2 (tiny)
Rocker rivet: Brass, no head.
Sheath: Leather, black. A or B.
Packaging: 2 piece yellow box about 1 ½” high-(2), Guarantee Registration/Remember card with Federal Blvd. address-(1)(2 types seen), rice paper guarantee slip-(2), white tissue-(2), tips on care card-(2), knife sharpening card-(2).

Variation 2 (1967)7
Stamp: BUCK, Inverted, Left hand, 440C steel.
Butt rivets: 2 visible on left side of rear bolsters only.
Blade rivet: Visible on both sides of front bolsters.
Inlay rivets: 2 (tiny)
Rocker rivet: Brass, no head.
Sheath: Leather, black. A or B.
Packaging: 2 piece yellow box. **

Variation 3 (1967)8
Stamp: BUCK, u.s.a., Inverted, Left hand, 440C steel.
Butt rivets: 2 visible on left side of rear bolsters only.
Blade rivet: Visible on both sides of front bolsters.
Inlay rivets: 2 (tiny)
Rocker rivet: Brass, no head.
Sheath: Leather, black. B or C.
Packaging: 2 piece yellow box about 2” high-(1), about 1 ½” high-(1), “Attention” leaflet orange-(1), knife sharpening card-(1), Guarantee Registration/Remember card with Federal Blvd. address-(1)(2 types seen), Use and Care leaflet with Federal Blvd. address-(1), Navy exchng sales slip date 12/1/67, Al Buck note-(1).

Variation 4 (1968-1970)9
Stamp: BUCK, u.s.a., Inverted, Left hand, 440C steel.
Butt rivets: Visible on left side of rear bolsters only.
Blade rivet: Visible on both sides of front bolsters.
Inlay rivets: None.
Rocker rivet: Brass, no head.
Sheath: Leather, black. B or C.
Packaging: 2 piece yellow box about 2” high. **
Variation 5 (1968-1970)10
Stamp: BUCK, u.s.a., Inverted, Left hand, 440C steel.
Butt rivets: 3 visible on left side of rear bolster 1 visible on right side.
Blade rivet: Visible on both sides of front bolsters.
Inlay rivets: 2 (tiny)
Rocker rivet: Brass, no head.
Sheath: Leather, black. B or C.
Packaging: 2 piece yellow box about 2” high. **

Variation 6 (1968-1970)11
Stamp: BUCK, u.s.a., Inverted, Left hand, 440C steel.
Butt rivets: 1 visible on left side of rear bolster, 1 on right side.
Blade rivet: Visible on both sides of front bolsters.
Inlay rivets: 2 (tiny)
Rocker rivet: Brass, no head.
Sheath: Leather, black. B or C.
Packaging: 2 piece yellow box about 2” high. **

Variation 7 (1968-1970)12
Stamp: BUCK, u.s.a., Inverted, Left hand, 440C steel.
Butt rivets: 1 visible on left side of rear bolster, 1 on right side.
Blade rivet: Visible on both sides of front bolsters.
Inlay rivets: 2 standard sized.
Rocker rivet: Brass, no head.
Sheath: Leather, black. B or C.
Packaging: 2 piece yellow box about 2” high. **

Variation 8 (1968-1970)13
Stamp: BUCK, u.s.a., Inverted, Left hand, 440C steel.
Butt rivets: 2 visible on both sides of bolsters.
Blade rivet: Visible on both sides of front bolsters.
Inlay rivets: 2 (tiny)
Rocker rivet: Brass, maybe headed.
Sheath: Leather, black. B or C.
Packaging: 2 piece yellow box about 2” high. **

Variation 9 (1968-1970)14
Stamp: BUCK, u.s.a., Inverted, Right hand, 440C steel.
Blade/Butt rivets: Visible on both sides of bolsters, 2 rear, 1 front.
Inlay rivets: 2 (tiny)
Rocker rivet: Brass, maybe headed.
Sheath: Leather, black. B or C.
Packaging: 2 piece yellow box about 2” high-(1), Use and Care leaflet undated-(1), “Attention” leaflet orange-(1), **
 
Id like to take that info and add relevant pics to it if it hasnt been done.. Maybe this needs to be in a different thread.. Let me know..
 
Hmmmm......two variations added since I last saw it then.

Makes mine a variation nine instead of seven.

Never knew it was changed!
 
I best go all the way through the info again!!!

No telling what other updates might be there that I haven't paid any attention to!!

:o :o :o
 
OK here is what I know. this knife does indeed have integral brass spring holder. It has 1 visible butt rivot on the left lower side of the rear bolster away from the rocker. The rt side of the rear bolster has no visible rivot. The pivot rivot is visible from both sides although your really have to look for it on the right side. The rocker is certainly brass and it has 2 tiny inlay rivots that are not headed. I think Flat is right with 3rd ver 8th variation except it specifically calls for 2 but rivots. Maybe 6th version-but I'd swear in court that there is no rt side butt rivot- I cant see one and take a good enough pic to show you but here is what I got.
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whataya think?
 
Where's Goose when we need him?

I think it was him that had one with invisible rivets or at least one invisible rivet.

It is not unusual to have great difficulty seeing the rivets. It COULD be a sixth, seventh or an eighth.

It could even be a third variation.

The front bolster looks shorter and fatter than my ninth, but that could just be a camera angle thing.

If it's significant, it could get us into Fourth Version, Variation One........I think that's been your assessment since the beginning.
 
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seaplane said:
Is that a stainless rocker rivet on that auction knife, Or brass? The pics look stainless to me. I am with JB on it being a fourth or fith version.The stainless rocker rivet would fall into that cattegory. ! :)
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Seaplane raises the most significant point in this discussion.

With various discussions going on, I am not sure what knife is being talked about at any given time. I do know that the pictures of the knife that was the subject of the initial inquiry shows it to have a stainless steel rocker rivet. If Joes data sheet is correct ( and I tend to believe that he is usually correct) and since the first 110 that he lists as having a stainless rocker rivet is a Fifth Version, Variation 2, it seems improbable that the knife is earlier than a fifth version.

Telechronos:):):)
 
It's awful hard to tell from those auction pictures. But anyway......

First stainless rocker rivet was the 4/2 according to my notes.

:eek:

Of course, my notes failed me yesterday, so who knows?

:)
 
Telechronos said:
Seaplane raises the most significant point in this discussion.

With various discussions going on, I am not sure what knife is being talked about at any given time. I do know that the pictures of the knife that was the subject of the initial inquiry shows it to have a stainless steel rocker rivet. If Joes data sheet is correct ( and I tend to believe that he is usually correct) and since the first 110 that he lists as having a stainless rocker rivet is a Fifth Version, Variation 2, it seems improbable that the knife is earlier than a fifth version.

Telechronos:):):)
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My notes from Joe's data sheet (prior to 2008 update, the one that has 7 variations of the third version) breaks out this way:

BUCK - 4th Version 1970-71 Variation 1 - 2pins BR Rocker/BR SpringH, Variation 2 - 2pins SS Rocker/BR SpingH
BUCK - 5th Version 1972-74 Variation 1 - 2pins BR Rocker/SS SpringH Variation 2 - 2pins SS Rocker/SS SpringH Variation 3 - 2pins SS Rocker/SS SpringH

The eBay knife is no earlier than 4th Ver, 2nd Var and thus a 1971/72 production knife.

I'm having a hard time with finding a 4V/2V and wonder if that bird actually even exists.
 
BG42EDGE said:
First stainless rocker rivet was the 4/2 according to my notes.

:eek:

Of course, my notes failed me yesterday, so who knows?

:)
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LOL Edge, I like that Data sheet also. I didn't understand some of the new groups that reduced the number of Versions on the 110 so I tend to stick with the old notes for my collecting efforts. :)
 
Yes.....I suspect that Joe's Data on the 110 will prove to be the accepted historical authority.

The notes failed me yesterday only because I got into some old file that was outdated and should have been deleted......now it's gone.

Did you take a shot at identifying Fritz's knife pictured above?

The front bolster looks thicker and shorter than my 3/9. Do you have a third version you can look at to see if the front bolster is preportioned differently from Fritz's?

(I suppose Buck 110 and Dave 110 are laughing at me because they can tell these things at a glance.)

:)
 
I'm having a hard time with finding a 4V/2V and wonder if that bird actually even exists.
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So maybe you better bid on the one the OP mentions!!!! Could be it!!!!

:)
 
Sorry Flat......I just read this confusing thread again and I see you did ID Fritz's knife.

Also see you don't have a Third Version.

Maybe somebody else who has one can chime in on the question of the front bolster preportions.
 
BG42EDGE said:
Sorry Flat......I just read this confusing thread again and I see you did ID Fritz's knife.

Also see you don't have a Third Version.

Maybe somebody else who has one can chime in on the question of the front bolster preportions.
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Fritz does have himself a real nice knife. I always have like the slim profile and proportions of the earlier frames. But then I really like those burly 2 dots too. I suppose I've not found a pre-86 110 yet I didn't like:D
 
Earlier in the thread there was a question about how some e-Bay sellers seem to have gotten bad information. Here's something I copied from somewhere long ago.

Years back Bernard Levine published the first book on the Buck 110 which broke down into four categories.
First version 1964 to 1965.
Second version 1966 to 1969.
Third version 1970 to 1976.
fourth version 1977 to 1980.

Now what happened was Blade magazine came out with a Knives &Their values book which broke down the Buck 110 into eight versions which makes things more complicated.
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I think some people, probably just grabbing whatever info they can find, are using old notes and info similar to the early Levine stuff.

And some just take a wild guess that favors a better price.

:D
 
BG42EDGE said:
And some just take a wild guess that favors a better price.

:D
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And I've run into a bunch of these guys. It's always "I heard that for this guy who knows this guy who's a lawyer who handles legal matter for that guy who knows knives" type of thing.

It's agravating at time but if everybody knew what they had then no good deals would present themselves.
 
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