Buck Canoe, anybody using one?

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I've search the site and I can't find much info on the Buck Canoe. Does anyone use one, and what do you think.
 
I do not collect Buck canoes. I EDC a stockman or two blade. But, I have seen comments here on carrying a Buck canoe. Someone will be here shortly to comment on their personal use. I do know they come in several nice scale examples. I do own one, a limited edition second in ivory. They were originally offered by AGRussell in a couple of versions. They may have one in there current catalog. The fellows here will talk Canoes in general. You may seek adiditonal info on the Buck forum. 300Bucks
 
If you are asking about the 389's I have carried and used one a bit. They are made in China for Buck and the fit and finish is excellent. Mine was Mfg. in 2007 and has 420hc blades...they take and hold a decent edge. They are very well made and overall a nice EDC knife...Mine gets most of it's use when traveling...I toss it in my checked bag and don't worry about it...
If you are asking about the 308, which is an AG Russell/Buck Collaboration, I have a couple , but haven't carried them yet...they're pricey little buggers ;)
 
AG catalog photos. Two of the PLBs.

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Thanx for the pics 300, interesting to note: these AG Russell offerings have two different blade steels!
The spear is 154CM, and the Wharncliffe is S30V...
These have nicely ground blades, as in nice and thin, and the frame is quite narrow...they will disappear in a pocket...
 
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Sit, Lets just complete the circle on this.......The AG Russell Buck canoes are just as quality a knife as 95% of the custom builders, they are made in the Buck factory in Idaho, they cost slighty less than a lot of customs but not by much. But, you call up a store and in a week your really fancy canoe is in your hand......In all honesty some knives are just not my cup of tea, I know folks like Sit that love them. But in this case as a collector I would like to have them all, but I just can't make the 300+ cost. I can buy several 'old' black sawcut stockmen for one of those. My only example is a ivory scale second that had a crack at a scale rivet, it was 1/3 the price. The overseas ones, I hear are made well and are less than a tenth of the AG ones.

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Not pictured in this photo is personal signature by engraving of Chuck Buck on one blade and AG Russell on the other, which is on all of them.
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Are the AG Russel ones flat ground, or hollow ground like the Chinese made ones? I really don't understand the appeal of a hollow grind on a knife like that (compared to the flat ground blade on my Ulster camper, for ex).

I think the currently made Chinese ones use 420J, not 420HC.

If Buck made a flat ground canoe with 420HC and made in the US, I'd be on it in a second.
 
That's a nice photo, 300. A factory second from the Chuck Buck / A.G. Russell collaboration was on my wish list but they sold out. I like the blade combination... ...I'm still hoping for that clip blade/ sheepfoot blade 301 jack.
 
sitflyer said:
Thanx for the pics 300, interesting to note: these AG Russell offerings have two different blade steels!
The spear is CPM154, and the Wharncliffe is S30V...
These have nicely ground blades, as in nice and thin, and the frame is quite narrow...they will disappear in a pocket...
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Why?

Thanks,

Kevin
 
richstag said:
Why?

Thanks,

Kevin
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If you are asking about the blade steels, I would assume that is what AG Russell and Chuck Buck picked for their respective blades... I have one in stag , and one in Ivory ( my Ivory lacks the pin cracks :p )
 
Yeah, thats what I am asking bud. I guess I didn't realize two different people picked the steels for the different blades. Who picked the cpm154?
 
richstag said:
Yeah, thats what I am asking bud. I guess I didn't realize two different people picked the steels for the different blades. Who picked the cpm154?
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I'll go dig it out and check...

AG signed the Spear blade which is 154CM
Chuck signed the Wharncliffe which is S30V
Both blades are flat ground, and the fit and finish on this piece is stellar, if one is a fan of the Canoe pattern, this one is a Beauty to behold.
 
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I just found this,

Chuck Buck and I have known each other for over forty years and have done business together for all of those forty some years. Along with Pete Gerber, Chuck and I are the "old guys" in the knife industry. Several years ago, we thought it would be interesting to create a knife to celebrate this long friendship. Since Buck® is in the business of making knives and I have been known to design a knife or two, we decided that I would design the knife and Buck would produce it in their factory in Idaho.

The design is a Canoe Moose, a double end jack knife, having a large blade at each end, in a Canoe pattern frame. The 2-5/8" Spear Point blade is 154CM at 59-61 Rc and is engraved with my signature. The 2-5/8" Wharncliffe blade is S30V at 59-60 Rc. and is engraved with Chuck’s signature. The highly polished bolsters and the liners are nickel silver and the handle scales are beautifully figured Black Pearl. Each knife is serial numbered (001/250). (Sorry, no choice of serial number.) Measures 3-1/2" closed and weighs 1.7 oz. Made in the U.S.A. Includes a black leather pocket pouch and ships in a black leatherette covered display box.
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I hope it is okay to post.

Thanks sitflyer. Also, I noticed it says 154cm as opposed to cpm154 for the black pearl version I found. I think there is still a difference right?
 
I have one of the Bucks in my knife drawer.... never used. I need to dig it out and take it for a spin!
 
pinnah said:
Are the AG Russel ones flat ground, or hollow ground like the Chinese made ones? I really don't understand the appeal of a hollow grind on a knife like that (compared to the flat ground blade on my Ulster camper, for ex).
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In the late 90's Buck did a lot of CATRA testing and developed what they termed at that time "Edge 2000". It's an extreme hollow grind with an acute edge angle which outperformed flat grinds and their former fixed blade grinds in the CATRA testing. In testing this, Buck compared the performance of a BG-42 blade in their old profile to that of a 420HC blade in the new profile. The 420HC blade outperformed the BG-42 blade in edge retention as measured using the CATRA machine. Now of course when they made blades from both alloys in the new profile, the BG-42 did far better than the 420HC.

The end result was that Buck switched pretty much all their blades to the new profile. The new profile, combined with the high hardness Buck gives their 420HC, makes for some awesome slicers. CATRA testing is a slicing test and for slicing the new profile is outstanding. For peeling an apple, not so much. I also would prefer a flat grind on my traditional pocket knife blades, but I do understand why they switched.
 
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