Buck Knives and Diminishing Returns.

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Buck Knives is without a doubt my favorite cutlery company, namely because they make such high quality knives which at an extremely affordable cost.

However, I must admit that I am surprised and disappointed by just how quickly The Law of Diminishing Returns comes into play in regards to their more expensive knives. One would assume that since Buck Knives makes such excellent knives at low cost, then their higher priced blades must be of unprecedented quality for cost, but unfortunately, such hasn't been my personal experience, in fact it has been very much to the contrary.

I purchased my very first Buck knife going on 15 years ago at the Sporting Goods section of a Department Store I was working at the time because someone was always borrowing the box cutter from my department then neglecting to return it, and while I had no particular use for a box cutter of my own, a good carry knife would be invaluable. So recognizing the brand name due to my exposure via my father as well as many other men who carried or used Buck Knives, as well as the low price tag of $17.99, I bought a Bucklite of some variation which was pretty much just a Buck 112 with a polymer handle. It served me well for a couple of years until I had unfortunately misplaced it somewhere and never found it.
Regardless, Buck has been my go-to brand for affordable yet high quality knives ever since.

In recent years, I've taken more of an interest in their premium knives, but much to my dismay, thus far my experience with them has been rather disappointing. Granted that I only own a couple of their more expensive knives, but based on my particular examples, the cost to quality ratio has been unfortunately skewed, and it just doesn't feel like you're getting an increase in quality to match the increase in cost.

For instance, last Christmas I received a Buck 110 Slim Pro as gift from my brother, and it's a swell knife to be sure, don't get me wrong, but my Custom Buck 110 (classic) just looks and feels like a higher quality knife, in spite of the fact that it was less expensive. At first I just chalked it up to the fact that the Custom 110 is well, custom and it weighs a lot more than the 110 Slim Pro, so perhaps I was just basing my perception of quality on the heft of the knife.
However, last month I received a Buck 110 Hunter Sport as a Birthday Gift from my brother, which I love and have since adopted as my carry knife. However, I have since purchased a Buck 112 Slim Select, a knife which costs a mere fraction of either the 110 Slim Pro let alone the 110 Sport, yet just feels like such an extraordinary value by comparison. Yes, it's a cheaper knife made of much cheaper materials, with a stonewashed 420HC blade and a Red FRN handle compared to a satin S30V blade and O.D. Green Micarta handle, but overall the quality of workmanship between them isn't all that different, and much to my surprise, the 112 Slim Select feels more sturdy in my hands than the 110 Slim Pro.

In addition, the 110 Sport arrived from the factory with a rather gnarly edge that while extremely sharp, looked as if it hadn't been stropped at all, and after stropping it, I have discovered a very small knick in the blade near the tip. It's not a big enough deal to send it back because it's only visible if you hold the knife up to the light and will certainly fade away with use/sharpening, but still it's there, which has left me with a decidely poor impression of their premium knives.
The prices just seem to exceed the overall quality of the blades once you start getting near the upper end, and frankly I'm just not that impressed by the materials either. Sure, S30V is a more advanced steel than 420HC which will hold an edge longer and is more corrosion resistant, but it's more brittle, more difficult to sharpen, and is a far cry from the best steel their is, so frankly I prefer 420HC. I honestly wish that Buck would make more mid-range knives, as I would prefer a 110 Sport with a blade that's easier to sharpen like the tried and true 420HC.

Perhaps I've just gotten unlucky with the factory edge on my 110 Sport, but regardless, I just feel like Buck's lower-priced knives offer a substantially greater value for the dollar than their premium knives, and while I'm extremely grateful to my brother for gifting me their more expensive stuff, I think that hence forth I'm going to stick with their standard knives.
 
I don’t know, fortunately for me, all my premium Buck knives in cpm154,s30v,s35vn,s45vn, 3V , D2 and 20cv have been superb in every way. I’ve had a couple of the less expensive standard models that the grinds were a tad off but not enough to be a problem and the 420hc steel is legendary.

The premium models are more expensive and that’s to be expected because of the premium materials involved. I believe in comparison to other brands they are still a great value. You would probably pay 50-100 % more for some brands. As far as the s30v blades I’ve had only two that chipped a bit at first but after sharpening them into fresh metal they haven’t chipped any. I use a diamond sharpener and it works great and doesn’t take much more time unless it gets really dull then it takes awhile. The Bos heat treatment is outstanding in my opinion.

Now I have had a few that needed cleaning and oiled to get the polishing compound out but I don’t consider that a problem because I clean and oil my knives anyway.

Im sure there are some that get past QC that shouldn’t have but I suppose all production companies have the same problem.
 
Oh, it's definitely a higher quality knife, no doubt about that, I merely feel like the cost to quality ratio is nowhere near the same value.
You can get a 110 Slim Select for under $25 and it will serve as an excellent EDC Knife. The 110 Sport is $145, and while the quality is most certainly there, the value for the dollar doesn't come anywhere close to me. Yes, it's a nicer steel, feels nicer in the hand, and the torx screws make it far easier to break down for tuning and maintenance which is by no means trivial, but to me those things just aren't as big of a deal to me.

I'm very happy with my 110 Sport and it shall remain my EDC Knife, I'm just disappointed by the edge. It's especially noticeable to me too, because the fit and finish was otherwise great, so the unstropped raggedy edge with a small knick towards the tip spoiled an otherwise well done knife for me. I know that other brands charge much more for a low less of a knife, but seeing as Buck already gives you so much knife for so little money, I expected more attention to fit/finish. Time is money, but how long does it take to pass an edge over a leather belt a few times to smooth out the edge then examine said edge to confirm that it's straight?
 
the law of diminishing returns applies to 90% or so of non custom knives in my shallow opinion.

Does it cut stuff? more than a few times without needing a sharpening? Will it field dress a deer? Help get a fire started?

lots of sub $100 knives will do this just as well or better than comparable $400 plus knives.

ymmv
 
the law of diminishing returns applies to 90% or so of non custom knives in my shallow opinion.

Does it cut stuff? more than a few times without needing a sharpening? Will it field dress a deer? Help get a fire started?

lots of sub $100 knives will do this just as well or better than comparable $400 plus knives.

ymmv
It's true. BUT. If you want a $400 plus knife and your kids still have shoes, why not?
 
It's true. BUT. If you want a $400 plus knife and your kids still have shoes, why not?
I wasn't knocking $400 knives. theres lots of kickass stuff out there that's plenty worth it. ive bought and sold a few in that range

*ahem*

I guess at this point I'd spend the extra on ammo or trips to the dentist.

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I think super steels and fancy handle materials are bad investments. You can buy the base version for so much less. It will be durable and easier to sharpen. It will likely last a lifetime. If you lose it, you just buy another.

Lets face it. They are looking for ways to get us to buy another knife so they keep upping the ante.
 
I think super steels and fancy handle materials are bad investments. You can buy the base version for so much less. It will be durable and easier to sharpen. It will likely last a lifetime. If you lose it, you just buy another.

Lets face it. They are looking for ways to get us to buy another knife so they keep upping the ante.
I don't buy knives as an investment vehicle. As much as I like my standard 119, I surely do not regret buying this 118 Pro. I am a fan of green micarta. It's a nice knife for a reasonable price. I'm not sure S35 VN is all that much better than 420HC. But that's not why I bought the knife. I bought it because I wanted it.


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Nothing wrong with buying what you want. Buying what makes you happy is a good investment in another way.

When I said a bad investment I did not mean you could sell it for a profit. I meant you get less functionality for the extra amount spent.

The $75 spent on a standard 118, gets you a knife that will cut very good, with a rock solid handle and a decent sheath. The knife will last you a lifetime.

The Pro is $150, is it really twice the knife? Does it cut twice as well? Is the sheath better? Will it last you 2 lifetimes?

My point is the diminishing returns. To the OP’s point after a certain point each dollar you spend gets you less and less.

Probably a pour choice of words on my part, and I certainly meant no disrespect.
 
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