Bugout price

[Knives&Lint]

Guys I get it. Prices of everything are going up, and it sucks. If you think that a knife is priced above it's value, then fair enough, vote with your dollars and go with something else. Just realize that when we make statements like...

I think any USA made knife Is pushing the upper limit of what they are actually worth.

what you are in actuality saying is "Screw American manufacturing and the people it supports." It's the same reason we have ghost towns in once thriving communities across the country. People said "Screw those guys that poured their whole lives into providing me places to purchase goods with service to back it up, I'm going to Wal-Mart for convenience and to save a few bucks." Everybody wants to lament the results, but we all voted with our dollars as to how much it was really worth to us.

 

[Another Shepherd]

Owned a Bugout, wasn't for me and sold it. My para 3 in k390 is my most carried knife. One thing I do like about all my other axis lock knives is the ability to pull the lock and flick the blade out, but the balance of the Bugout just didn't work at all for that, blade didn't have enough weight or the balance was just off. Anyone else have that issue or was it just me?

Some of the Bugouts that I have handled in stores needed the pivot screw to be loosened by 1/16 to 1/8 of a turn to get ideal action.
Of the three Bugouts that I own, all three will drop closed when I pull the lock (assuming the blade is pointed upward, of course), but they do not drop open. It takes just a little wrist flick to get them to open. All easily flick open using the thumb stud.

I'm not real into fidgeting, but I think it's nice that Axis and similar locks allow you to open and close a knife with one hand without shifting your grip. Most of the Spydercos that I own with compression locks open and close nicely with one hand, but the compression lock is a bit awkward if you do not change your grip.

And don't forget that you can baton a Bugout:

 

[Gizler00]

Don’t get me wrong….. I absolutely love the bugout. It’s my primary carry knife everyday. I think it’s the perfect balance of blade, handle, and strength. And best of all, it disappears in the pocket of pants, or shorts. It’s been proven to be incredibly tough and hard to kill. I just am having a little sticker shock now at 171$. When it’s .50 cents less than a PM2 in s45vn. I mean the 171.50 for the pm2 is shocking as well.

 

[Quiet]

Man, Benchmade's prices went up? Whew, luckily the prices of nothing else have gone up.....oh, wait.

It's almost like the materials needed to make knives here in America are more expensive than they were years ago when the Bugout first dropped. I'm sure that's just an unrelated coincidence and Benchmade are just a bunch of money-grubbing profit-chasers.

 

[RugerNurse]

Man, Benchmade's prices went up? Whew, luckily the prices of nothing else has gone up.....oh, wait.

It's almost like the materials needed to make knives here in American are more expensive than they were years ago when the Bugout first dropped. I'm sure that's just an unrelated coincidence and Benchmade are just a bunch of money-grubbing profit-chasers.

If Spyderco can offer the PM2 in S45VN for the same price shouldn’t Benchmade upgrade their steel? Yet they charge $160 for S30V

 

[Quiet]

If Spyderco can offer the PM2 in S45VN for the same price shouldn’t Benchmade upgrade their steel? Yet they charge $160 for S30V

Hmmm...last I checked Spyderco and Benchmade are two separate companies, and who probably have entirely different money situations, overhead, budgets, suppliers, etc.

There's someone out there who does your job for less pay, why do you deserve more?

 

[Docscoot]

If Spyderco can offer the PM2 in S45VN for the same price shouldn’t Benchmade upgrade their steel? Yet they charge $160 for S30V

There really isn't all that much stock price difference for the manufacturer based on that steel change, it's more about what they're used to working with at scale. BM still offers $400+ autos in S30v. Value's really subjective here, especially when it comes to steel type. This is all a slippery slope, and eventually leads to "if XXX Chinese company can offer m390 for $65, then..."

 

[Riz!]

Guys I get it. Prices of everything are going up, and it sucks. If you think that a knife is priced above it's value, then fair enough, vote with your dollars and go with something else. Just realize that when we make statements like...

what you are in actuality saying is "Screw American manufacturing and the people it supports." It's the same reason we have ghost towns in once thriving communities across the country. People said "Screw those guys that poured their whole lives into providing me places to purchase goods with service to back it up, I'm going to Wal-Mart for convenience and to save a few bucks." Everybody wants to lament the results, but we all voted with our dollars as to how much it was really worth to us.

I absolutely am not saying that. Do not put words in my mouth. 90% of my knives are American made. Most of the ones that arent are Italian made and I have 4 or 5 cold steels. Other than that I buy American

We arent allowed to talk politics in this forum or I would have added a lot more context.

I am allowed to state that I think the USA made products are too expensive without it really meaning “F american manufacturing”

I bought a new truck in december. Traded a 14 year old F150 for a 2022 Ram 1500. The price was more than DOUBLE the F150. I wasnt happy about that either. You dont see a nissan or toyota in my garage do you?

 

[Knives&Lint]

I absolutely am not saying that. Do not put words in my mouth. 90% of my knives are American made. Most of the ones that arent are Italian made and I have 4 or 5 cold steels. Other than that I buy American

We arent allowed to talk politics in this forum or I would have added a lot more context.

I am allowed to state that I think the USA made products are too expensive without it really meaning “F american manufacturing”

I bought a new truck in december. Traded a 14 year old F150 for a 2022 Ram 1500. The price was more than DOUBLE the F150. I wasnt happy about that either. You dont see a nissan or toyota in my garage do you?

Look man, I meant no offense to you personally. That's why I took your name out of the quote, as I was quoting the sentiment of statements like that, which I see frequently. Furthermore, I made sure to say "we" and not exclude myself from the problem. It impacts us all and none of us are completely free of guilt. However, like it or not, that is what is being said IMO. Without putting words in your mouth, I don't think it's any stretch to say that your statement was questioning the worth of knives being made in the USA. Apologies if I misinterpreted, but it doesn't make what I said any less true.

 

[Hashishiin]

I prefer knives like a RAT 2, Para 3, Native 5 LW, Sage 5 LW... Something about the Bugout is not for me, especially at that price.

 

[scraca]

IMO that price is ridiculous for the materials. S30v is good but Grivory is crap especially at that price point. It should be micarta or G10.

 

[Landshark99]

I have probably too many bugouts and much prefer them to my PM3, yes they cost more than they did when I bought mine, for me they are still worth the cost. Everything costs more, materials and labor both cost more, supporting a company that makes their products here helps everybody in the long run.

 

[Another Shepherd]

If Spyderco can offer the PM2 in S45VN for the same price shouldn’t Benchmade upgrade their steel? Yet they charge $160 for S30V

I don't see S45VN as an upgrade of S30V. If you look at Dr. Larrin Thomas's tests, S45VN has slightly better corrosion resistance but slightly worse edge retention than S30V.

Knife Steels Rated by a Metallurgist - Toughness, Edge Retention, and Corrosion Resistance - Knife Steel Nerds

Steel Metallurgist Larrin Thomas uses tests of knife steels to rate the steels and explains the factors that control performance.

knifesteelnerds.com

 

[J. Doyle]

I wonder how much price difference there actually is between grivory and g-10/micarta in the same quantity? G10/Micarta aren't very expensive. Same goes for steel. It isn't very expensive either. And S30v isn't way cheaper than a "better" steel.

I think it probably has much more to do with the fact that LITERALLY EVERYTHING has risen drastically in the last two years.

Just shipping costs alone are up drastically from a few months ago.

 

[Jordan@DLT]

I wonder how much price difference there actually is between grivory and g-10/micarta in the same quantity? G10/Micarta aren't very expensive. Same goes for steel. It isn't very expensive either. And S30v isn't way cheaper than a "better" steel.

I think it probably has much more to do with the fact that LITERALLY EVERYTHING has risen drastically in the last two years.

Just shipping costs alone are up drastically from a few months ago.

You're telling me on the shipping costs, our shipping cost now vs a year ago is ridiculous.

 

[J. Doyle]

You're telling me on the shipping costs, our shipping cost now vs a year ago is ridiculous.

Same here......though i wouldn't want to trade shipping bills with you. I've lost count of how many times the USPS has raised prices just this year. Another across the board hike is coming in January.

 

[tony281sc2]

I have the Bugout and PM2. If I had to pick one it would be the Bugout. I find the Taggedout to be a closer comparison to the PM2. After a little break in, it snaps open and drops closed just like my PM2. If you like the Bugout you will love the Taggedout - that's what is in my pocket now. I only mention it because it is more or less an upgrade to the Bugout - size, blade shape and steel, but still super light. When I can get my hands on some Titanium scales for the Taggedout it's going to give my Inkosi a run for the money!

Those look nice, but I wouldn’t call CPM154 an upgrade from S30V

 

[Riz!]

Knives&Lint

No need to apologize brother.

I respect your opinion and your right to express your self. I also respect your interpretation and your statement of cautiousness.

I just wanted to be very clear that your interpretation was not my intended message.

 

[Sibyrnes]

Those look nice, but I wouldn’t call CPM154 an upgrade from S30V

There are those that would disagree with you, but to be honest, I don't know enough about the subject to say. I know that my Taggedout is a real slicer!

All of the newer steels are adequate for anything that I (or most of us) use them for. I think that the blade design and grind are much more important than which of those steels is used.

 

[5DoorEstate]

The market will sort it. I thought I’d rather my Para3 or PM2, then found that I ended up carrying and using my Bugout more than anything. Given the use, I’d pay more for one, even if the Paras are “better.”