Bugout price

Reswob said:
No, it's not REALLY that simple :rolleyes:

I for one am thrilled to see several threads like this popping up lately. It means more and more people are vocally frustrated with the price gouging. MAYBE manufacturers will take note of this if keeps happening (and sales dip), and quit the constant price hikes. Probably not, but at least it's something, unlike elitists who come here to parrot nonsense like "if you can't afford it, just don't buy it", and "complaining about price gouging is cringe".
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The only thing that manufacturers take notice of is that their "over priced" products are flying off the shelves!
 
Quiet said:
You sound broke, how's that for elitism? Listen, complaining because you can't afford something is the trashiest of trash. If you can't afford Benchmades due to them increasing their prices, then vote with your dollar and buy something else. It really is that simple. But see, I know the truth: you want a Benchmade whatever, but just don't want to pay what they're asking (or can't afford it). So, you hope that by being a big complainer, they'll just reduce their prices, so a bunch of complainers can buy their models. Nope. That's on you, not them. Plenty of people are still buying their knives no matter the price. My local hardware store that carries them can't keep any of their models in stock, and they're charging MSRP! Also, Benchmade keeps dropping new models on the regular, so you know they aren't hurting financially.

Benchmade is gonna Benchmade, simple as that. They don't owe you anything. Buy a Civivi.
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Nope. I don't even remotely want a Bugout, at any price. I wouldn't want one if you GAVE it to me. In fact, I'm not aware of any current production BM that interests me. But thanks for your elitist rant, welcome to the ignore list.
 
Reswob said:
Nope. I don't even remotely want a Bugout, at any price. I wouldn't want one if you GAVE it to me. In fact, I'm not aware of any current production BM that interests me. But thanks for your elitist rant, welcome to the ignore list.
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The ignore list??
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Reswob said:
Nope. I don't even remotely want a Bugout, at any price. I wouldn't want one if you GAVE it to me. In fact, I'm not aware of any current production BM that interests me. But thanks for your elitist rant, welcome to the ignore list.
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So, if you aren't interested in any BM's and don't want a Bugout(at any price), why are you even reading this thread, let alone posting? Seems a little trollish to me🤔.
 
Reswob said:
Nope. I don't even remotely want a Bugout, at any price. I wouldn't want one if you GAVE it to me. In fact, I'm not aware of any current production BM that interests me. But thanks for your elitist rant, welcome to the ignore list.
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So, let me see if I have this right. You don't want one, but the prices of a thing you don't want bothers you. Yeah, that is completely logical and it checks out.

LOL Ok, then.
 
SomebodySomewhere said:
Anyone thinking American companies aren’t looking at every single penny, I can say, is just wrong. American companies know exactly what they must charge to stay afloat while paying everyone American salaries that will keep people in the shop. And they know, the hard way, when people won‘t pay for it, because the sales slow down. This isn’t bitcoin or something where it’s all made up … it’s a staggering accumulation of costs from numerous real steps in a chain where no one works for free. Without knowing anything about BM, I can be sure there aren’t many rich people there. Or at least they’re not rich from selling knives. They’re selling them exactly as cheaply as they can.

Compare BM to Bear & Son, say. You can make cheaper knives in America, but they’re also going to be of a lesser quality. Kershaw’s $50 Leek is a real rarity where quality meets price, but they’ve also been making it for 20 years.

Prices from Asia are the illusion. And prices from Asia are catching up as people there slowly stop working for nothing. I’m not anti-Asia, but these are facts. This is what it costs to build things in America. As others have said, if that’s not important to you, there are options (of which I have availed myself, lest this sound preachy).
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People complaining about prices are usually showing a complete lack of understanding or education in how many moving parts there in between pulling raw materials out of the ground, and an item being on a shelf ready for purchase.
 
Ive been looking at grips/bugouts for a while but the price, for me, is what keeps me from picking one up. It's mostly a curiosity as I rarely carry pocket knives, I much enjoy sharpening them though, so spending that much for a tinkering knife would be silly...for me.
 
SomebodySomewhere said:
Yep. Real gouging is pretty rare, because the market usually immediately quashes it.

But another way to look at is by asking how overpriced someone thinks a Benchmade is. $200 knife, say. “Should” be $170? $150? Remembering that’s not all or even mostly profit (they’re doing very well if they clear 20%). It takes a lot of knives for that difference to add up to anything meaningful. And they aren’t selling millions of these.
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Well, you said it best in your post I was responding to: these guys aren't rich, and they definiteley aren't banking millions of dollars by selling knives. Usually when small or medium sized companies increase their prices, it's so business owners can keep their employees working. R Reswob is free to bleat all he wants about price increases, and while he calls others elitist, he sure seems not to care too much about knife company employees who are working at these companies and having to put food on their table or clothing on their childrens' backs, and I'll just say it: I don't think working for a knife company making knives or knife parts is a job that pays that well. So, inflation definitely hits people at different economical levels differently.

Meanwhile, there's this guy acting like it's the end of the world because a company who sells a luxury item is somehow the bad guy for having to raise prices in order to keep level with increased costs.
 
P_A_S_1 said:
Ive been looking at grips/bugouts for a while but the price, for me, is what keeps me from picking one up. It's mostly a curiosity as I rarely carry pocket knives, I much enjoy sharpening them though, so spending that much for a tinkering knife would be silly...for me.
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My recommendation would be to keep an eye on the Exchange. Regular run Bugouts get listed pretty often at decent prices after people either decide it's not for them, or else they purchase one of the variants made in higher order materials, and don't need the base model anymore.
 
For the people that have price as their top criteria, there’s always mass-produced garbage from China to buy. If you’re trying to make a “cost” argument to talk yourself out of buying something made in the US, you’re a lost cause. Domestic prices will never compete with overseas sourcing all things the same. You wouldn’t go to a Cadillac dealership and complain Kias are cheaper, would you?
 
SomebodySomewhere said:
It sometimes amazes me there’s any knife manufacturing in the US given the headwinds. (The pandemic, ironically, has illustrated some of the costs and dangers, so maybe it will help at least in that regard).

We’re lucky that there are people with the passion and determination to do it. It cannot be easy.
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Absolutely. One of my favorite brands is Great Eastern Cutlery, and their owner has been quoted when discussing with folks at their yearly meet-up at the factory that it's difficult to find people to come in and be trained up, as much of his current workforce is on the older side, and starting to age out into retirement. So, there could be a time in the future where this company (as hot as they are these days) closes up shop, or else the quality starts to suffer. All of the Benchmades I've bought in this last year have been flawless, so if they're a little more expensive, it doesn't bother me. They are clearly on their game.

Another issue is that for similar money, you can get an objectively nicer materials knife from We/Reate/Bestech and it just is what it is. People can choose where their dollars go, but berating a small US Company for raising prices to try to stay solvent just reeks as ignorance to me.
 
P_A_S_1 said:
Ive been looking at grips/bugouts for a while but the price, for me, is what keeps me from picking one up. It's mostly a curiosity as I rarely carry pocket knives, I much enjoy sharpening them though, so spending that much for a tinkering knife would be silly...for me.
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That's fair enough, and a reasonable approach. That's how it should be, weigh your options and decide whether something is worth the price to you.

That's a far cry from people throwing the term "overpriced" around, showing a complete lack of understanding of how markets work, and not realizing that the alternative that they are calling for is a race to the bottom.
 
5DoorEstate said:
As to the Deka, to each their own. I handled one and didn’t care for it. I understand the appeal.

Freedom!!
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I ended up getting a Deka on sale and like the wharncliffe blade. The scales, lock and action trail behind the Bugout. I’m tempted to upgrade the scales, which would still push the price beyond the Bugout. But I won’t complain about it online. 😂
 
I think you guys have summed it up pretty well. I just want to add that I'm tired of people tossing around terms like "elitist" and "socialist" as attempted insults - it just demonstrates an ignorance of the actual meaning of those words.
 
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