Bugs3X - I Waited, Now I've Got to Do What I've Got to Do

i know its like 5-10 dollars each needed. i know enought of bruce to say im in. i have chonic pain sysdrome and in the past have employed a few V veits to know they got a **** deal, not to mention you guys say his wife is in the hospital just e-mail me bruce and i will send a check out to you.
 
How about someone send me Bugs's address and I will send him a nice XMas present to help his spirits in his time of need!!!! Thanks Mike
 
Thanks everybody,Maybe between all of us this can turn out to be a great Christmas for both of them.
Bruce
 
We have the money needed to cover Bugs's debt,Thanks to everybody that has helped out here....This is great,Friends helping friends..
I will let everyone know when I get a address and those that want to send Brian the money themselves I will email the address,the rest can send it to me and I will send it and a Knife out to him as soon as I get the Money in the Mail.
Thanks everybody..
Bruce
 
I have just recieved a email from Brian and he said that one of our fellow forumites has paid the whole debt off for Bugs and now wants the whole situation to disapear...He didn't want to post this (I don't know why if he had been reading)
So Thanks to all that said they would help but someone else has taken care of it.I Love this Place...When it is needed a helping hand isn't very far away..

I am sorry to say that this has made him a little sour towards doing business on the forums though..
Thanks everybody..
Bruce
 
Here's the deal. The matter is settled. It was settled a while ago, by another forumite, who didn't want to be noted or named. It was settled against my wishes. It remained un-noted in the forums so that these threads could sink off without further mention.

My best hope was that the person who incurred the debt would feel personally indebted to the point that they would own up to their obligation. If that had happened, I might have felt that, in the future, I could count on BFC members to feel compelled to own up to their mistakes. But that isn't what happened.

It's great that the community is tight enough to take care of their own, but it's not great enough to let me trust the community again. This wasn't about money, it was about trust.

Me, I'm finally back to work. But during my time off, I didn't enter into any obligations I couldn't meet, and I honored all obligations I entered into in the past, regardless of how my circumstance had changed. I didn't duck any phone calls or e-mails. Yes, I was embarassed when I got calls asking "Are we still going ahead with that Searles' Bowie", and I had to answer that I couldn't. But I answered honestly, and didn't make anyone else count on me when I couldn't live up to it. Yes, I had to sometimes dip into my very precious savings to meet an obligation that couldn't be postponed. When a maker called me and told me that my order was ready, I did without whatever I had to in order to meet my obligation.

I hope you all know from my previous posts that had I been approached like a man, "face to face" so to speak, I would have waited as long as things took. I didn't want the money nearly as badly as I wanted to be treated with respect. It wasn't the responsibility of anyone other than Dave to answer for himself. I'm more sorry than anyone here can know that this failed to occur.

Please stop responding to this thread so that it can drop out of our collective attentions. Thanks.
 
Excuse me while I use this crowbar to take my foot out of my mouth.
I mistakenly ASSumed that it was Brian that brought this thread back to the top. That is not the case. Mea culpa. I apologize to Brian.
Hopefully, somday, Bugs will be able to explain for himself.

Dave
 
HUH???? WHAAAAA??? EVERYONE needs to be held responsible and ACCOUNTABLE for their OWN financial dealings. But, BUT, BUT.... When the person is going thru personal turmoil, extreme personal turmoil, they sometimes lose their self-worth (BEEN THERE, DONE THAT)
I shall not defend anyone who fails to live up to their financial obligations, but in rare circumstances, people become lost in a very vicious cycle.....When it comes to paying bills, many times the answer is WHY. Why, because YOU are responsible to PAY for whatever you buy. But, making it a public issue to...DO WHAT????...humiliate a person, already so deeply self-humiliated...serves WHAT PURPOSE????:( :( :(
 
Whoa, chill out guys! Look at the times of the posts; Brian didn't post to this thread after 11-05-01; some other folks brought it to the top and kept it rolling. I don't know when Brian got paid by the other forumite, or why he didn't post something to that effect when it happened, but before you criticize him too excessively, step back a moment.

I also get the impression that Bugs hasn't communicated to Brian his extenuating circumstances, some of which I understand happened after he owed Brian the money. Not being privy to everything to do with their dealings, or with Bugs' personal life, I can still understand why there is a pretty bad taste in Brian's mouth.
 
I think I was part of the reason this was brought back to the top and I agree we are all responsible for our debts,it is a tough one on me after I had a ruff time this summer,I hate bill collecters that won't leave you alone..
I agree that Brian should have posted saying that the debt was paid by someone other than bugs and that he would still like to here from him why he hadn't paid it himself.Then this thread would have died and not got people confused..
I still offered Brian the Knife I had said that I would send but he has turned it down..
Now please everybody lets do as Brian asked and let it die...
We wanted them both to feel good for the Holidays and I guess this won't be the case anymore but lets not jump on brian either He didn't bring the post backto the topanother forumite concerned about Bugs did because he didn't know that it was cleared up and being let Die...

Lets not judge anybody at this time of the year,We wanted to help out a situation and it was already taken care of,
THANKS to all who wanted to help Bugs out ..
Bruce
 
I didn't post into this thread again to bring it to the top, I posted again because it had been brought back to the top.

I don't visit this forum. It was brought to my attention that the thread had re-risen, and I posted to, hopefully, let it get dropped off again. Some people asked to pay off his debt, I told them that was unnecessary.

It was also my honest hope that, out of the public eye, in his own time, Bugs would try to make good on his debt, and I could give him the other forumite's address and have him pay them back (or at least offer, as I don't think they would accept it). I would leave the opening for Bugs to settle the matter, and then, yes, I could post that the matter was truly cleared, and Bugs had transcended his problems to live up to his promise. That was my genuine hope. Unfortunately, the matter was pressed, in public, and now things are as they are.

[edit] Just to be clear - when I started this thread, no one had paid me anything. It was this thread that compelled someone to take care of the obligation. I did NOT start this thread after being paid.
 
I am pretty new to the forums and just want to say I am honored to be in the company of such people. Just felt the need to let you guys know. Merry Christmas all. You guys are living proof that some people do know what it's all about.
 
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